D&D (2024) They butchered the warlock in the new packet

[Micah Sweet]

Yes it is

Over here in Level Up Junction, we have a warlord (the Marshal class) and psionics (an  excellent 3pp book by our own @Steampunkette ). Our other classes are pretty great too. Come on in, the water's fine!

 

[Micah Sweet]

it doesn’t need to be the same warlock to be compatible. A rogue or wizard are not warlocks either and no one said that makes them not compatible with 5e.

Compatibility is not about keeping the classes the same.

Just the math, right?

 

[Micah Sweet]

You can’t or at least won’t be able to play a 2014 class in a 2024 PHB game most times. I don’t know why people find it hard to understand.

But don't worry, they're compatible mathematically!

 

[mellored]

You can’t or at least won’t be able to play a 2014 class in a 2024 PHB game most times. I don’t know why people find it hard to understand.

Except my group already does that.

A few play 2014 classes (mainly the druid) and most use the playtest.

 

[Reef]

I disagree that the DM controls short rests. They can make short rests risky, but it is ultimately the PCs who decide to rest or not to rest.

Well, yes. The players can rest even if the DM says it’s risky. And then the DM sends in monsters to spoil the rest, because they did warn you. If the DM doesn’t want you to rest right then and there for whatever reason, it’s not happening.

 

[Reef]

am I the only one that spends most adventureing day getting 1-3 short rest? More going to 3 then 0?

3 short rests would be glorious. We always seem to be in a situation where it’s too dangerous, or it’s safe and everyone wants a long rest. When you’re the only short rest class, there’s not a lot of onus on the other characters to want a lunch break 20 minutes* after breakfast.

*which is my DMs big issue with short rests. When even long combats take less than 2 minutes of game time (with 6 seconds per round), we can get through multiple fights and still be early in the morning game-wise

 

[Micah Sweet]

I've often remarked that the thing that bugged me the most about 5e was that the design currency appeared to be measured in "spell units."

That they are making this even more explicit is not, IMO, a good thing. That said, this is my preference, and I tend to prefer magic to be rare and spectacular, not common and boring.

Well, spell units as resources would support the, "this is for the VTT" theory.

 

[Neonchameleon]

3 short rests would be glorious. We always seem to be in a situation where it’s too dangerous, or it’s safe and everyone wants a long rest. When you’re the only short rest class, there’s not a lot of onus on the other characters to want a lunch break 20 minutes* after breakfast.

*which is my DMs big issue with short rests. When even long combats take less than 2 minutes of game time (with 6 seconds per round), we can get through multiple fights and still be early in the morning game-wise

There's a reason 4e short rests were five minutes long - enough time to grab a breather, clean your weapons, bandage wounds, and have a bite or some water.

 

[doctorhook]

My god I hope everyone gives this a 0 out of 10

I’ve read only 1.5 pages of this thread and I’m beginning to think I’m the only person who likes these changes.

0 out of 10?? Come on dude, surely you’re being hyperbolic

 

[Micah Sweet]

Sure. I mean, I'm totally fine with power equivalency and reskinning (I'm a 4e fan, after all), but I'd also be fine with spells having a stronger fictional identity and only being used by a few classes.

My personal ideal is that spells would be treasure, but the game definitely isn't going to drift in that direction.

More's the pity.