D&D (2024) Jeremy Crawford: “We are releasing new editions of the books”

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

For what it's worth, I'm sorry if I got you into anything over my reference to evergreen. It sounds like the person you're discussing with is on my ignore list, so I'm not even seeing their comments.

For anyone who cares: I think the "evergreen" notion is one way of discussing Editions, not the only one. I'm just making an analogy that exists in an environment I'm familiar with and I can make an argument as relevant. Certainly not the only one that can be made.

thank you,
it never occurred to me that someone could be blocked and still see a response. In this case I kind of understand why you blocked them, but I do feel that is a weird way for the blocking to work.
thank you again for clarifying this.

 

[Justice and Rule]

Do you really think that any of us here are actually going to be confused when the new version comes out? We are d&d nerds, who spend all day discussing the game online. None of us are actually going to be confused. Some of us may not like the new rules, but that is not the same thing.

We're the minority. There are plenty of people who are not as dedicated but casual players who can get confused as to what people are using, looking at guides as to what to build, etc... If you look up questions on the Druid, are they going to be answers for the 2014 or the 2024? How are you going to know, since both are potentially at play? You have plenty of casuals who have the 2014 PHB and might bounce off redone versions, and now they can just bring the old version along if they like. It's... well, I just disagree with it, personally. I understand the profit motive driving this, but at the same time I think it'd be better to do a clearer split from the old material, whether you call it 5.5E or 6E.

I never said that nobody will use both versions at the same time. I said that the vast majority of groups who do use both, are going to be experienced players who aren't actually going to have any real problems with it.

And I didn't say you said nobody would, I say that way more than you expect probably will. I think that's problematic, especially when you are trying to rebalance and fix things. If people can just the old, broken stuff, then how are we going to fix it? I see this as being a problem for things like the Warlock, Druid, and the Paladin, depending on what we get back from the playtest.

Sure there will be some players who don't like the new rules and will stick with the old version, or switch to a different game entirely. So what, no mater what you do, there will always be people who don't like it. You can never please everyone. Look at the reaction from some people every time a new 5e book is released. There are always people saying that WotC ruined the game, and that they won't buy any more books, or switch to a new game. Yet 5e keeps chugging along being the best selling version of D&D ever, without even noticing.

Yeah, but this doesn't really make the argument for being "evergreen". You can literally make the same argument for a new edition or half-edition: people will buy the new books or not move on. The only thing is that you can stop people from mixing things and can properly balance things if you push to a new edition/version, rather than potentially having two versions of a bunch of different things out there for players to use.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

thank you,
it never occurred to me that someone could be blocked and still see a response. In this case I kind of understand why you blocked them, but I do feel that is a weird way for the blocking to work.
thank you again for clarifying this.

You see the response, but not what the response is responding to.

I have the same issue- it looks to me like you were previously having a very one-sided and bizarre argument, but that's also because I (assumedly) have that individual blocked.

ETA- in a way, it's kind of like reading Garfield without Garfield ....

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

You see the response, but not what the response is responding to.

I have the same issue- it looks to me like you were previously having a very one-sided and bizarre argument, but that's also because I (assumedly) have that individual blocked.

either that or I am the crazy lady yelling at her cats

 

[Justice and Rule]

You see the response, but not what the response is responding to.

I have the same issue- it looks to me like you were previously having a very one-sided and bizarre argument, but that's also because I (assumedly) have that individual blocked.

Yeah, sometimes you gotta right click and go Incognito see whatever is actually being discussed. Occasionally I get a new page with no posts, which is always a bit odd.

 

[SteveC]

thank you,
it never occurred to me that someone could be blocked and still see a response. In this case I kind of understand why you blocked them, but I do feel that is a weird way for the blocking to work.
thank you again for clarifying this.

The way it works now is that I don't see blocked members messages at all, either in posts or when you quote them. So it is a strange one-sided conversation where it looks like you're getting attacked for something that I discussed. I suppose they have me blocked as well, so I suspect they're only seeing your side of things.

It used to be that you'd see a thumbnail version of the comments and then you could click on them to read what they said. I sort of prefer that old approach, but I can also see why it's better to remove the temptation to engage. It's frustrating because I've been on here a long time, and blocked almost no one until recently. It does seem like this new edition has sparked more of an angry response than even 4E did. Just my experiences. I really welcome discussing things with people who disagree with me because that's the best way to learn something. Or to see you're wrong. I only block folks who are angry and tempt me back to my old Internet Tough Guy days, which no one wants to see.

 

[Remathilis]

Some part of me wants to bookmark the posts asserting therr won't be issues mixing the editions together for later.

A year or so down the line Im really going to be interested if the same folks still insist the birds aren't real.

There will be issues. The question is if they will be so egregious as to render previous material unusable. Of course things won't be 100% compatible. No one is claiming that because for it to be true they would have to reprint the 2014 books verbatim. Not everything will fit together perfectly, but it will fit together well enough to be usable, unlike my massive collection of 3e, 4e, and AD&D books which can only be used as inspiration.

Right now, I don't foresee a problem with allowing a warforged artificer from RftLW in a game using the 24 PHB. Some adjustments will be made, but it's far more doable than trying to make a 4e warlord work.

And birds are totally not real.

 

[codo]

Its the same fundamental logic.

It really isn't, but even if it was, why does that matter? Even if it did matter, are you saying they were wrong when 5e was launched? I am pretty sure most player of 5e when it launched were players of older editions. They aren't now, there has been a massive increase in new players, but isn't that one of the major reasons why they are updating 5e, to make it easier for new players?

I think anyone sufficiently interested in the game is going to eventually learn of all these books that have more powerful (re: often broken) content and will act accordingly.

Ok, if a group wants to be powergamers and use the 2014 books because they are more powerful, let them. How does that actually hurt anything? If a group wants to power game they are going to powergame. If they are not using 5e there are plenty of 3pp books they could use instead.

 

[Emberashh]

The question is if they will be so egregious as to render previous material unusable

Given the direction they took 1DND, I suspect the opposite; most of the new material isn't going to be used.

Something like the Wizard that got buffed will, but I'd bet a shiny penny that the nuDruid or nuRogue won't be without some substantial changes, and even then.

 

[codo]

There will be issues. The question is if they will be so egregious as to render previous material unusable. Of course things won't be 100% compatible. No one is claiming that because for it to be true they would have to reprint the 2014 books verbatim. Not everything will fit together perfectly, but it will fit together well enough to be usable, unlike my massive collection of 3e, 4e, and AD&D books which can only be used as inspiration.

Right now, I don't foresee a problem with allowing a warforged artificer from RftLW in a game using the 24 PHB. Some adjustments will be made, but it's far more doable than trying to make a 4e warlord work.

And birds are totally not real.

Ultimately the question isn't if the are going to be losing some players with the new book. Of course they will. They lose players every time they release a book. The real question WotC is interested in is will the new books bring to more new players than they lose?