D&D (2024) What type of ranger would your prefer for 2024?

[Incenjucar]

Martials lag behind because WOTC lacks a clear idea what a martial is after level 10.


Finally some specifics.
Unfortunately that's all Fighter stuff in 5e. The 4e Ranger is a 5e Fighter.
Disruption otherwise is magic or ki.


You can't create difficult terrain in less than a minute with magic or DM help.
Navigation is already in the DMG. The DMG is poorly organized.
And again, dirsruption is in fighter, magic or psuedo-magic like ki.


D&D and D&D-likes would never let you turn a bush into a trap as an action without magic

There are high level martial features I'd love to see in D&D. But you'd be hard-pressed to find a DM who allows you to turn a bush into. a deadly poison snare mid-combat without magic before high epic levels.

"Give me an example!" "No, not that one!"

 

[Minigiant]

"Give me an example!" "No, not that one!"

You didn't give me an example of a high level ranger thing.
You gave me an example of a high level fighter thing.

 

[Incenjucar]

You didn't give me an example of a high level ranger thing.
You gave me an example of a high level fighter thing.

I am not going to try and read your mind on what you consider a ranger thing and not a fighter thing or a rogue thing or whatever. You want me to burn time, it's $200/hr.

 

[Minigiant]

I am not going to try and read your mind on what you consider a ranger thing and not a fighter thing or a rogue thing or whatever. You want me to burn time, it's $200/hr.

The point is you have to pitch something that isn't already in the game for WOTC or a 3pp to spend their money designing it for sale.

Unfortunately what you want already exists in 5e or is beyond the scope of 5e.

 

[Incenjucar]

The point is you have to pitch something that isn't already in the game for WOTC or a 3pp to spend their money designing it for sale.

Unfortunately what you want already exists in 5e or is beyond the scope of 5e.

I don't have to do anything, and there is no "scope" document you have access to that identifies what WotC can and cannot do. Your protests are based on assumptions that are neither supportable nor compelling.

 

[Minigiant]

I don't have to do anything, and there is no "scope" document you have access to that identifies what WotC can and cannot do. Your protests are based on assumptions that are neither supportable nor compelling.

You don't have to do anything.

However game designers don't produce large bundles of redundant material anymore.

So in order to get a spell-less ranger, someone has to describe both mechanics and flavors that is different than what exists within the frame of the game.

 

[CleverNickName]

However game designers don't produce large bundles of redundant material anymore.

It could be argued that Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, Monsters of the Multiverse, Glory of the Giants, etc. are all "large bundles of redundant material," since they contain large amounts of material that is already available in other books. All to varying degrees, of course--some material has been rewritten completely, some just updated slightly, some of it is just an unmodified reprint.

 

[Minigiant]

It could be argued that Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, Monsters of the Multiverse, Glory of the Giants, etc. are all "large bundles of redundant material," since they contain large amounts of material that is already available in other books. All to varying degrees, of course--some material has been rewritten completely, some just updated slightly, some of it is just an unmodified reprint.

My argument is that WOTC already provided the spell-less ranger in those book.

• Multiclassing in the PHB
• Scout Rogue in Xanatar's
• Skill Expert Feat in Tasha's

To WOTC, a spell-less ranger is a Fighter/Rogue. They provided the material and the redundancy.

If it isn't to liking, then the community has to inform WOTC or whoever what they want.

For example, I want a Spell-less Wizard: The Scholar. One might say "that's the Mastermind Rogue".

My response is the Mastermind doesn't go far enough and has the Rogues criminal background. I want to use the Help action to boost the damage of allies, speak different languages with enhanced technicalities, analyze and know monster stats, discover secret lore, recover from failed knowledge , conversation, and other academic checks, and substitute physicality with knowledge.

 

[Chaosmancer]

That's my point.

I asked for a Tier 3 or 4 spell-ranger feature for days now. No one responds. They only means Tier 1 stuff.

So I deigned a spell-less ranger with only Tier 1 and Tier 2 ranger features as an example of what everyone is expressing.

Ah, okay, that makes far more sense

 

[Chaosmancer]

They already have a alimb speed and swim speed and this makes them really good at these already. RAW, the swim speed in particular lets them use any melee weapon without disadvange.

Yes, I think this was a good design decision on their part