D&D 5E What are the "True Issues" with 5e?

[Baron Opal II]

Wizards get to be boring Doctor Strange.

What?

Regardless of how I may agree with you on other topics, sir, to this I can only reply "swords at dawn".

 

[MuhVerisimilitude]

To be honest I think real world comparisons are less interesting than in fiction comparisons, where I find it ridiculous that a level 20 fighter is not really any better at any athletic things than a level 1 fighter. Where's the increased movement speed? Where's the massively improved jump distance? Etc. etc.

Compare with the wizard. Look at the mobility of a level 1 wizard vs a level 20 wizard.

well I will say my thread last a lot more pages than I expected before it went completely off the rails.

My condoleances. I think it's probably my fault. But then again I did register here with the express purpose of discussing this exact subject!

 

[Vaalingrade]

well I will say my thread last a lot more pages than I expected before it went completely off the rails.

What are the True Issues with 5e?

Same thing as every edition, Stalker0, D&D Fans.

 

[Vaalingrade]

What?

Regardless of how I may agree with you on other topics, sir, to this I can only reply "swords at dawn".

I'm sorry, but I choose Hoary Host of Hoggoth instead.

 

[Undrave]

What problem was being solved? Did 3e/4e expect regular improvements in magic items because of regular improvements in monster ACs and other defenses? Is that what you think is being alluded to here? If that's the case then, yeah, I'd say the problem was pretty much removed, so the need for the same magic item treadmill? I'm not seeing it.

I was mostly thinking disparity between classes.

 

[mamba]

Seems like everything gets a pass but the creatures the players play

I did not let the Wizard pass either…

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Too bad. They'd be a more coherent game if they did.

I don't disagree in the least lol. But D&D doesn't want to be coherent. It wants to be an all things to all men fantasy game.

Only one edition broke away from that, and it got basically shot like a broken-legged horse for it's trouble - 4E. 4E wanted to be coherent and to have a specific identity. No wonder it was much-compared to Earthdawn, and indeed there was even a (sadly abortive thanks largely to the GSL) attempt to make a proper, licenced Earthdawn "total conversion" (as it were) for 4E.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Somehow, we muddled through. DMs will continue to do so.

By this amazing logic humanity has never faced any "real issues" in the last 2 million years.

 

[mamba]

I think it's probably my fault. But then again I did register here with the express purpose of discussing this exact subject!

well, you proved the premise… any improvement for one is detrimental for someone else

 

[Vaalingrade]

What problem was being solved? Did 3e/4e expect regular improvements in magic items because of regular improvements in monster ACs and other defenses? Is that what you think is being alluded to here? If that's the case then, yeah, I'd say the problem was pretty much removed, so the need for the same magic item treadmill? I'm not seeing it.

Non-magical folk apparently aren't allowed to be awesome or even keep pace with casters without magic items. So it's a bit off that the game pretends it can be played without them so hard that it doesn't have rules for obtaining said items.