D&D 5E What are the "True Issues" with 5e?

[Warpiglet-7]

It’s really interesting.

If you read this thread in its entirety it’s like a projective test.

Some people lament that 5e jettisoned the old. Some lament if kept too much of the old.

Now of course I realize it is more nuanced than that. It is particular old rules for particular people.

And the retort is “so what?! Old players are not the market!”

So revamp a game that does not change much…for whom? The dissatisfied will say it did not change enough or it changes too much and the new players have not been around long enough to know anything is wrong.

Happens every time. It’s all good until it’s not and then the exodus to the new edition ensues.

 

[Hussar]

I really don't follow. You use a shovel as a shovel. How much you can dig depends on where you're digging. There is no cold rating for a tent, it generally keeps out the elements if set up properly (and there's no tornado) but it's not going to change the ambient temperature. If you want that you're talking setting up a different type of shelter.

I'm answering the same questions the same way. Repeating the questions doesn't really add any value to the conversation.

The fact that you think there is no cold rating for tents rather proves my point. A thin cloth tent will provide far less protection than one made of heavy leather - after all the insulation level of the tent means that the ambient temperature of the tent changes with the people in the ten.

That’s why arctic tents have liners.

So I do rather think you have nicely proven my point.

 

[Hussar]

Of course this begs the question of how well tables are implementing the rules around Wisdom(Perception) and lighting conditions.

See now this is where virtual tabletop absolutely glows. Individual views that are affected by the actual sight lines of the characters. It’s fantastic.

I just ran a dungeon where there was stuff in the air (think mist) that cut vision ranges by 75%. Was a fantastic adventure. The players had to bunch up around light sources. Exploration became a very real and visceral thing.

Add in a couple of skulker feats on monsters and suddenly it gets real intense at the table.

 

[R_J_K75]

They can keep thst up for decades.

Exactly why Im moving on...the story is getting old

It did not, as Ben Riggs went into the numbers at Gen Con recently. That's why 3E led into mass layoffs and 3.5 nearly immediately.

No clue who Ben Riggs is, no offence to him, I'm just not familiar with him or his brand if he has one. So I cant comment on his thoughts or research. I'm sure if its valid it will be cited.

If there were mass layoffs how the hell did they put out a book, maybe 2 a month in the 3.x era?

 

[R_J_K75]

It’s really interesting.

If you read this thread in its entirety it’s like a projective test.

Some people lament that 5e jettisoned the old. Some lament if kept too much of the old.

Now of course I realize it is more nuanced than that. It is particular old rules for particular people.

And the retort is “so what?! Old players are not the market!”

So revamp a game that does not change much…for whom? The dissatisfied will say it did not change enough or it changes too much and the new players have not been around long enough to know anything is wrong.

Happens every time. It’s all good until it’s not and then the exodus to the new edition ensues.

Pretty well said

 

[Parmandur]

Exactly why Im moving on...the story is getting old

No clue who Ben Riggs is, no offence to him, I'm just not familiar with him or his brand if he has one. So I cant comment on his thoughts or research. I'm sure if its valid it will be cited.

If there were mass layoffs how the hell did they put out a book, maybe 2 a month in the 3.x era?

Ben Riggs is a historian of the game, had a big book about the rise and fall of TSR a few years back. Currently seems to be doing a follow-up on the 3E and 4E eras.

WorC did mass firings all the time in the 3.x era, huge churn as they changed product strategies.

 

[Lanefan]

Qualitatively different: that's a rules revision that doesn't invalidate anything from the past ten years,

I'd say the jury's gonna be out on that claim until sometime early 2025 at least...

 

[Lanefan]

See now this is where virtual tabletop absolutely glows. Individual views that are affected by the actual sight lines of the characters. It’s fantastic.

If your computer can handle it.

Mine completely froze when our DM tried using this.

 

[Minigiant]

The thread reads like what i said early on.

The D&D community in too diverse for the form of 5e that was published. It needs variant rules content and guide for them. WOTC's plan was to have 3PP cover that but for many reasons it did not work.

WOTC is essentially selling the best vanilla ice cream and is paying the local candy store and super market to stock ice cream toppings and sauces.

However fans do not want to go to another location for their sprinkles. And some aren't "allowed" to.

 

[Parmandur]

I'd say the jury's gonna be out on that claim until sometime early 2025 at least...

We already have what they are doing in hand, and they are bending over backwards to maintain compatibility.