D&D General Why the resistance to D&D being a game?

[ECMO3]

It's a classic fantasy trope.

No it isn't. The magic fuels his strength and endurance. The skill is 100% Elrics.

No it is not. The sword specifically moves his arms and even kills and drinks people on its own and against his will who he does not want to attack.

I read the books. It seems that you've forgotten the potions that restore his strength and vitality. He did not need Stormbringer. Stormbringer just managed to function as those potions when it drained souls.

No I haven't, but it seems you forgot that he ran out of those potions in the Desert when he left Melibone and the sword had to save him.

Also it is explicitly states in multiple fights he is in that he could not win without the sword and there are fights beyond that which he can't win without using Sorcery to call on Chaos.

In 5e the paladin is a caster the way a catfish is a cat. I mean, kinda sorta, but not really. A paladin is a smiter.

If your argument is for a more powerful Paladin that can do supernatural things then we are not in disagreement. But that is far different than saying a fighter or Barbarian should be able to.

Zoro from One Piece.

Not fanatasy.

 

[MuhVerisimilitude]

Not fanatasy.

One Piece is definitely fantasy.

 

[Maxperson]

No it is not. The sword specifically moves his arms and even kills and drinks people on its own and against his will who he does not want to attack.

It occasionally forces him to move. It does not make him fight better. There's a difference. Think of it like an intelligent sword in D&D. 99% of the time the fighter using it is the one with the skill and in charge. Occasionally the sword exerts its will over the fighter and makes him do something.

Not fanatasy.

Sure it is. It's just fantasy in a different setting than D&D.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Ruin Explorer did by claiming that it was 100% from his divine power. Also, @Ruin Explorer, just because 100% of the 5 named wizards(Istari) are maia, does not mean that 100% of Istari are maia.

Yes it does. Read the links I provided earlier. There are no other Istari.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Sure it is. It's just fantasy in a different setting than D&D.

That's an awful argument. If that's your argument absolutely no fantasy, including LotR, is relevant.

Pick a lane.

 

[Maxperson]

That's an awful argument. If that's your argument absolutely no fantasy, including LotR, is relevant.

Pick a lane.

I don't know what you mean. All fantasy is relevant under my argument, not none.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I don't know what you mean. All fantasy is relevant under my argument, not none.

I misunderstood your implication, my apologies.

 

[Maxperson]

Yes it does. Read the links I provided earlier. There are no other Istari.

Perhaps, but there are other wizards. Sauron was called The Necromancer when he resided in Dol Guldor and it wasn't known that The Necromancer was Sauron. A necromancer is a wizard.

 

[Maxperson]

I misunderstood your implication, my apologies.

No worries. I was responding to the comment that Zoro from One Piece wasn't in a fantasy setting. One Piece is fantasy and therefore Zoro is a relevant example of a martial normal human achieving supernatural skill with the sword through practice.

 

[mamba]

No. That's wrong. We cannot know if wizardry and mortal magic are one and the same. We can know that Gandalf cast spells. It's in the books. We can know that being a wizard is separate from being a maia. It's in the books.

do we know that other Maiar cannot cast spells?

Ruin Explorer did by claiming that it was 100% from his divine power. Also, @Ruin Explorer, just because 100% of the 5 named wizards(Istari) are maia, does not mean that 100% of Istari are maia.

I am not aware of there being any more than five. Are you?

Order of Wizards

The Order of Wizards (Quenya: Heren Istarion), or simply Wizards (Q.: Istari), were a group of Maiar sent to Middle-earth by the Valar in the early Third Age[1] around TA 1050 when the "Necromancer" became active in Dol Guldur.[2] They were embodied as elderly Men and entrusted to aid the Free...

lotr.fandom.com

"The Order of Wizards (Quenya: Heren Istarion), or simply Wizards (Q.: Istari), were a group of Maiar sent to Middle-earth by the Valar in the Second and Third Ages. They were embodied as elderly Men and entrusted to aid the Free Peoples against the threat of Sauron's conquest by lending them their wisdom and counsel. They were originally known as Five Guardians"

The books say that they were chosen from the Order of the Istari(wizards), but nothing says that the order didn't include both mortal and immortal spellcasters. Istari might just be what the valar and maiar call spellscasters of any sort.

Not sure what book that is. I am going by the wiki, and that says they were chosen by the Valar from the Maiar and the five chosen ones were referred to as the Istari / Wizards