D&D General Why the resistance to D&D being a game?

[Micah Sweet]

There is no essential reason this loop should be different for comparable magic abilities.

IMO, you can't compare the ability as described without it being magical.

 

[Bill Zebub]

That you don't make it a power. You talk to your GM and describe what you're trying to do. If they think it would definitely work, it works. If they think it definitely doesn't work, it doesn't. If they're not sure, an appropriate ability (with appropriate modifiers) is performed.

You know, the gameplay loop.

So I agree with that 100%. It's one of the many reasons I love Shadowdark.

But as you know perfectly well, D&D has drifted toward the end of the design spectrum where you don't improvise and adjudicate, you press buttons on your character sheet. That's how people play D&D. It's one reason I've stopped playing D&D.

You are howling against the wind.

 

[Vaalingrade]

but using these as your "upper limits" for D&D fighting capabilities ignores the mismatch between the action movie genre expectations and the typical scope and hazards of D&D combat at high levels.

Oh, I use Hulk and Herc as my upper limits for D&D fighter capabilities. This is supposed to be a fantasy world after all.

 

[Gimby]

Can they trip an ooze or gelatinous cube though? (Or is that another edition or an urban legend).

You are thinking of third ed there - the cube doesn't get prone immunity till 5th

 

[Gammadoodler]

IMO, you can't compare the ability as described without it being magical.

Why? What is the essential difference between insult delivery and spell delivery?

 

[Vaalingrade]

Sorry, we'll just have to disagree about that. The Wikipedia entry for 'Magic' literally has the title 'Magic(supernatural)'.

Wikipedia also has John Mclain as John Mclain (character). Does this mean all characters are Jogn Mclain?

 

[Micah Sweet]

So I agree with that 100%. It's one of the many reasons I love Shadowdark.

But as you know perfectly well, D&D has drifted toward the end of the design spectrum where you don't improvise and adjudicate, you press buttons on your character sheet. That's how people play D&D. It's one reason I've stopped playing D&D.

You are howling against the wind.

I know it.

 

[Gimby]

That you don't make it a power. You talk to your GM and describe what you're trying to do. If they think it would definitely work, it works. If they think it definitely doesn't work, it doesn't. If they're not sure, an appropriate ability (with appropriate modifiers) is performed.

You know, the gameplay loop.

Would you say you should apply that to say, a rogue's Sneak Attack or Evasion abilities?

 

[Vaalingrade]

So I agree with that 100%. It's one of the many reasons I love Shadowdark.

But as you know perfectly well, D&D has drifted toward the end of the design spectrum where you don't improvise and adjudicate, you press buttons on your character sheet. That's how people play D&D. It's one reason I've stopped playing D&D.

You are howling against the wind.

And I've started hating the D&D fandom because people keep using this stupid 'button pressing' narrative to describe 'having actual reliable capability as opposed to leaving it all to DM whims'.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Why? What is the essential difference between insult delivery and spell delivery?

One can override human behavior regardless of circumstance, and the other has to interact with the humans and the world we have. That's the only answer for me, but its fine if you disagree.