D&D (2024) PHB Playtest Packet 7 drops Thrusday, September 7.

[Parmandur]

For a bit more data. If we look at the higher levels of sorc burst, here is what it looks like (I used a computer sim for this rather than theory so it may be sliiiiightly off)
4d8 sorc burst

Infinite Reroll: 20.585
Max 5 Reroll: 20.547
Standard 4d8: 18
Standard 4d10: 22

so ~2.5-2.6 more damage than a standard d8 cantrip at that level, -1.5 from a d10 cantrip.

With the damage type versatility, seems pretty good.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

After two packets of whining, flex is gone. Enjoy Sap, Topple and Push.

omg I hadn't even realized. I didn't think that'd happen.

Topple is still a separate saving throw, without limits how many times you can apply it in a turn. Why is it not once per turn?

 

[Vaalingrade]

Listening to it now. The wizards' 'identity' being 'having the biggest spell list in the game' and this being taken as an unbreakable Truth says just... so much.

 

[Charlaquin]

For a bit more data. If we look at the higher levels of sorc burst, here is what it looks like (I used a computer sim for this rather than theory so it may be sliiiiightly off)
4d8 sorc burst

Infinite Reroll: 20.585
Max 5 Reroll: 20.547
Standard 4d8: 18
Standard 4d10: 22

so ~2.5-2.6 more damage than a standard d8 cantrip at that level, -1.5 from a d10 cantrip.

A bit more than half-way between d8 and d10, plus variable damage type. Seems like a good option to me.

 

[Charlaquin]

Yup. Warlock is back to a one trick pony. But Vox Populi, Vox Dei.

I don’t see how that tracks, especially with the EB upgrade Invocations being able to be used on any cantrip now.

 

[Remathilis]

I don’t see how that tracks, especially with the EB upgrade Invocations being able to be used on any cantrip now.

EB is still the best option though: force damage, multiple attempts to hit/crit, d10 dice. You're only going to want to EB + AB anyway, and then you get your two spells per rest plus your floating recovery. Spam that cantrip and then use your three bomb spells before you beg for a rest

but that's what people wanted.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

As written it seems like Pact of the Chain's new forms still have to choose from Celestial/Fiend/Fey, so your Skeleton isn't undead nor is the Tadpole an Aberration, but you get to pick Celestial/Fiend/or Fey.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If they think I'm not going to have a celestial skeleton, they have another thing coming.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

If they think I'm not going to have a celestial skeleton, they have another thing coming.

That'd totally awesome, so I hope they don't add any silly restrictions.

 

[Charlaquin]

EB is still the best option though: force damage, multiple attempts to hit/crit, d10 dice.

It’s a strong option for sure, but not the only worthwhile one.

You're only going to want to EB + AB anyway, and then you get your two spells per rest plus your floating recovery. Spam that cantrip and then use your three bomb spells before you beg for a rest
but that's what people wanted.

Cantrips and a few powerful spells between short rests is what I wanted, yes. And only one class offers that, so it’s good that they aren’t taking the option away.