Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[delericho]

Maybe they can decide not to send a whole fleet, but if they can spare 3 cruisers to apprehend a General going against orders borrowing a few X-Wings and a light transport, they can certainly afford a special task force, say consisting of a few X-Wings and a light transport to investigate a bunch of murderers sabotaging Republican ships and stealing from the Republic.

I'm inclined to think there's a not-inconsiderable faction within the highest echelons of the Republic who are allied with our BBEGs. They're probably responsible for Hera being ordered to stay away and for sending those cruisers to go get her back. In both cases, the reason is the same: to help Baylon et al.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm inclined to think there's a not-inconsiderable faction within the highest echelons of the Republic who are allied with our BBEGs. They're probably responsible for Hera being ordered to stay away and for sending those cruisers to go get her back. In both cases, the reason is the same: to help Baylon et al.

There are. New canon one of the senators was working for the First Order. That's 20 years away. Leia gets forced out once those loyalists reveal Vader is Leias father.

Alot of the worlds that surrendered were full of imperial loyalists.

Technically there's another faction I forgot about. I'll cover them now.

1. First Order.

2. Imperial Remnants. Rogue imperials that have not surrendered. Generally seen as war criminals with nothing to lose and they eventually invited to the First Order. Gideon in it for himself.

3. The Empire technically still exists. They disarmed after surrendering. Theoretically they are self governing autonomous still no storm troopers or Star Destroyers. Not mentioned much in New canon. Mas Amedda was the last known head of state. I guess they have army and smaller ships?

4. Imperial loyalists that surrendered to New Republic personally or their worlds joined the New Republic. S3 Mandalorian, Ahsoka has them.

5. Ex imperials who don't really care about the Empire or New Republic.

6. Ex imperials somewhat loyal to the New Republic or want to join it.

7. Independent systems may or may not be getting preyed on (Navarro).

3 has been hand waved away think they kinda became 4 perhaps. First Orders the only one with capital ships plausible Remnants have some but Gideons ship is more similar in size the a Corellian Cornette vs ISD (its a light cruiser). If he had any he didn't use them and had to beg for a few TIE interceptors.

Hux would have some, Pelleaon maybe idk about the others. Emperors flagship is tucked away somewhere Hux should know where it is.

 

[Hussar]

I would be interested to see a version of Star Wars that did start digging deeper into the notion of factions rather than white hats vs black hats.

The newer movies and shows have danced around the edges of this. Characters like Saw Guerrara for example.

It’s a much more nuanced and complex setting though. Not sure if Disney will go that way. Maybe. We’re already seeing different interpretations like the difference between Andor and Ahsoka.

A broader approach is kinda nice. But I’m not sure if they are telegraphing which shows follow which concepts very well.

 

[pukunui]

I would be interested to see a version of Star Wars that did start digging deeper into the notion of factions rather than white hats vs black hats.

The newer movies and shows have danced around the edges of this. Characters like Saw Guerrara for example.

It’s a much more nuanced and complex setting though. Not sure if Disney will go that way. Maybe. We’re already seeing different interpretations like the difference between Andor and Ahsoka.

A broader approach is kinda nice. But I’m not sure if they are telegraphing which shows follow which concepts very well.

They've certainly been hinting at it for a while. Take those rich Coruscanti folks in The Mandalorian S3 who talk to the doomed Dr Pershing. The ones who talk about how they can't keep track of who's in charge from one day to the next. They don't care because their obscene wealth insulates them from the day-to-day effects of politics. However, like the other obscenely wealthy folks who frequent Canto Bight, they seem happy to meddle in politics in order to maintain their wealth, even if that means selling weapons to both sides, as DJ points out to Finn in The Last Jedi.

They're certainly a morally shady faction of their own.

 

[Zardnaar]

I would be interested to see a version of Star Wars that did start digging deeper into the notion of factions rather than white hats vs black hats.

The newer movies and shows have danced around the edges of this. Characters like Saw Guerrara for example.

It’s a much more nuanced and complex setting though. Not sure if Disney will go that way. Maybe. We’re already seeing different interpretations like the difference between Andor and Ahsoka.

A broader approach is kinda nice. But I’m not sure if they are telegraphing which shows follow which concepts very well.

That's some of the best of the old EU. Great characters is main thing but factions and nuance tends to go over well.

Broadly speaking the force, pew pew generally goes over well. Doesn't have to be Jedi vs Sith or X-Wings vs TIE fighters.

Non force stuff is also good occasionally eg Rogue Squadron, Andor stuff.

 

[Hussar]

That's some of the best of the old EU. Great characters is main thing but factions and nuance tends to go over well.

Broadly speaking the force, pew pew generally goes over well. Doesn't have to be Jedi vs Sith or X-Wings vs TIE fighters.

Non force stuff is also good occasionally eg Rogue Squadron, Andor stuff.

See, now, I never really got into the old EU stuff too much. I read the TImothy Zahn books, but, that was like a million years ago and I couldn't tell you anything about what happened in them, other than Thrawn came back. Don't even remember how they ended. Other than that, I never paid a whole lot of attention to Star Wars. Then the Prequels happened and that killed most of my interest in Star Wars for a long time. I've probably watched more Star Wars recently going back and watching stuff like Rebels or Clone Wars in the last couple of years than I ever watched before.

So, for me, all this stuff is pretty new. And, overwhelming at times. Darth this or that. This kind of ship or that kind of ship. This character or that character. I just can't seem to bring myself to care all that much. It's entertaining and that's about all I expect from Star Wars.

 

[Zardnaar]

See, now, I never really got into the old EU stuff too much. I read the TImothy Zahn books, but, that was like a million years ago and I couldn't tell you anything about what happened in them, other than Thrawn came back. Don't even remember how they ended. Other than that, I never paid a whole lot of attention to Star Wars. Then the Prequels happened and that killed most of my interest in Star Wars for a long time. I've probably watched more Star Wars recently going back and watching stuff like Rebels or Clone Wars in the last couple of years than I ever watched before.

So, for me, all this stuff is pretty new. And, overwhelming at times. Darth this or that. This kind of ship or that kind of ship. This character or that character. I just can't seem to bring myself to care all that much. It's entertaining and that's about all I expect from Star Wars.

That's fine. Filoni was a fan of old EU and he's drawing on it.

Hence why I'm leaning towards Thrawn being Heir to the Empire.

Kind of a soft retcon to Disney canon if that happens.

 

[Maxperson]

Exactly! That's what I meant by it's sad. Like, what was the point of all the struggle to defeat the Empire if the result is just a clown show that lasts maybe 30 years before everything falls apart again?

Right?! My underwear last longer than that! I mean, um.....hmm....er......sigh...

 

[Maxperson]

Well its consistent with their new canon. But really undermined later they probably don't gave to do that now it's 15-20 years in the future.

What I think they're doing is trying to paint themselves out of the corner.

There's always been a few rogue imperials in New canon they don't really have enough stuff to do much. I'm sure Thrawn finds an appropriate fleet somewhere.

Legends Thrawn had about 25% of the old empire to work with. The imperial remnants here are more an insurgency.

They could give Thrawn the Black Fleet.

 

[briggart]

They didn't "hijack a frigate". They freed a prisoner. It was a prison break. And, no one acted stupidly at all. The prison ship captain acted quite reasonably. Mythical Jedi don't exist as far as the universe is concerned.

Someone steals an engine. Ooo, be still my beating heart. Considering this is a setting with actual pirates hijacking all sorts of stuff - Hutts, the Syndicate, as in organized crime bosses that control entire planets, someone lifting an engine from a decomissioning site probably isn't all that big of a deal. And, I imagine, "Long Live the Empire" isn't a rare thing to hear.

See, the thing is, none of the Republic's actions are all that out of line. An engine being stolen and a prisoner being sprung isn't really enough justification to mobilize thousands of soldiers on a hunch. Again, priorities. Someone steals an engine. Who cares? They steal an Imperial Cruiser? Ok, fair enough, call out the troops. An engine?

Oh, and let's not forget, that this is a setting that's been in a constant state of devastating war for decades. As in entire planets have been destroyed (and in some cases very destroyed). They absolutely DON'T WANT to pick another fight.

People's idea of what is reasonable is really strange.

Considering that there are rumors of Thrawn returning to lead the Imperial Remnant into a war against the New Republic, that the prisoner had been captured by a Jedi specifically because she was suspected to be involved into a plan to bring back Thrawn and overthrow the New Republic, and was rescued while en route to be questioned on the matter (all of this is in the opening crawl), I do find the behaviour of the New Republic senators puzzling.

This is no regular criminal, not even an high profile criminal boss. It is somebody suspected to be an agent for a foreign, hostile power. Now, the ship's captain could be working on a need-to-know base, and not be fully aware of all of this. But it seems unlikely that high-level New Republic executives would not be aware of this, or at least be briefed by Mon Mothma once the issue is being discussed.

The senators arguments are not entirely unreasonable in a vacuum, what bothers me is they are at odd with previous actions. After all, transporting a prisoner requires little more than a shuttle, maybe few fighter escort. Instead, the New Republic assigned a major ship to it, resulting in significant casualties and the loss of that ship ("They took out an entire security detail and scuttled one of our new starships"). In our world there would be huge public outrage if this happened.

What does it matter that the imperial fleet is scattered when you have proof that imperials have infiltrated the administration, and just a couple of them can seriously cripple a major military vessel? That should be concerning. Resources are limited, so maybe they cannot afford to devote a large fleet detachment, but a corvette and half a dozen fighters? It would still be significantly less than the Vesper.