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The problem is, you really can't with the D&D-adjacent. There's too much cross influence. People pop from D&D5e to PF2e and back all the time.

That's not nearly as true once you've drifted farther afield. I can be on a place talking about most game systems and discussion of D&D will rarely come up outside of discussion of the hobby as a whole (where it has too big a footprint to ignore) but in the case of the near-kin, that just won't happen; its always going to be a point of comparison.
Perhaps, but it doesn't have to be the most important point, and people don't have to take every WotC release as gospel only to deviated from at great risk.
 

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Persona 5 was only 7 years ago! It's a game that's highly stylish on the surface (music and art direction are much-praised, to their credit) but under the surface is a game that's pretending to be about something without really being about anything.
Already 7 years!?! Did not see that time pass.

Personas tend to be like that: they kinda present themselves as a reflection on some facet of the society, but in the end its pretty empty.

Which is strange, because Digital Devils Saga (another SMT) went more deeply in those themes and never got the fame the Persona line has.
 


Already 7 years!?! Did not see that time pass.

Personas tend to be like that: they kinda present themselves as a reflection on some facet of the society, but in the end its pretty empty.

Which is strange, because Digital Devils Saga (another SMT) went more deeply in those themes and never got the fame the Persona line has.
I'll go so far as to say that Persona is by far the worst SMT sub-series, but pretty much exactly that reason (and, of course, the homophobia)
 



I haven't liked a Final Fantasy game since the last one released for the NES in 1988. And you're standing on my lawn.
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Perhaps, but it doesn't have to be the most important point, and people don't have to take every WotC release as gospel only to deviated from at great risk.

I agree with the second, but then, when you're talking about PF2e or 13A, the only time a new edition of D&D is relevant when someone comes in trying to sell it as the Killer App that's going to make the game at hand irrelevant.

The first, however, is just unrealistic; as long as you have a game closely related to D&D, the comparison most likely to come up is D&D. That's just going to be reality, and I'd frankly learn to live with it.
 


This is just smuggling in argument about what a TTRPG is or how they should be played as an argument about balance. I'm here to play a game with rules, and use those rules to do things.
Where I'm here to play a game where the rules get out of the way whenever they can, and only get involved when something needs to be done in the abstract.
 

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