D&D (2024) No Dwarf, Halfling, and Orc suborgins, lineages, and legacies

[el-remmen]

Sure, so long as background and culture are separate choices.

Nah. I don’t care.

 

[Mind of tempest]

But what do you really think about halflings?

my hatred of them is well known I made a thread on it, why for they are the flesh of half of me.
but I have made peace with their existence and would rather worry about getting something I would want rather than arguing against something's existence.

why do you find my post sad as it would be interesting to know?

Sure, so long as background and culture are separate choices.

this I can see as desirable, makes things interesting and layers ideas together thus more complex characters

 

[CreamCloud0]

We've been through multiple threads on this very forum where quite a few people have advocated just merging the two. I, as a noted gnome fan, very much disagree with them being that close but, if they were really that distinct we wouldn't have that as a semi-regular topic that shows up

i don't think they're not distinct, but to anyone who doesn't really care that strongly about the nuances of either 'just squash the two small humanoids together' very easily sounds like a reasonable enough solution, that doesn't mean it is though, but i mean hey, while we're condensing species why not shove the two strong species of orcs and goliaths together into a single species right? it's not like they've got their own distinctions, or maybe the magically inclined elves and githzerai? and there's no point in having both aasimar AND tieflings? get rid of all these unnecassary statblocks cluttering up the books.

 

[Micah Sweet]

my hatred of them is well known I made a thread on it, why for they are the flesh of half of me.
but I have made peace with their existence and would rather worry about getting something I would want rather than arguing against something's existence.

why do you find my post sad as it would be interesting to know?

this I can see as desirable, makes things interesting and layers ideas together thus more complex characters

I like halflings, and I don't like seeing them disparaged. It makes me sad.

 

[Micah Sweet]

i don't think they're not distinct, but to anyone who doesn't really care that strongly about the nuances of either 'just squash the two small humanoids together' very easily sounds like a reasonable enough solution, that doesn't mean it is though, i mean, why not shove the two strong species of orcs and goliaths together into a single species right? or the magically inclined elves and githzerai? and there's no point in having both aasimar AND tieflings? get rid of all these unnecassary species.

Yeah, a lot of people really seem to want less published content.

 

[Corinnguard]

i don't think they're not distinct, but to anyone who doesn't really care that strongly about the nuances of either 'just squash the two small humanoids together' very easily sounds like a reasonable enough solution, that doesn't mean it is though, i mean, why not shove the two strong species of orcs and goliaths together into a single species right? or the magically inclined elves and githzerai? and there's no point in having both aasimar AND tieflings? get rid of all these unnecassary species.

I have heard that Pathfinder 2nd edition is planning to merge the Aasimar, Tieflings and other planetouched beings into the new Nephilim versatile heritage. Level Up has already done something similar with their Planetouched heritage.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

I have heard that Pathfinder 2nd edition is planning to merge the Aasimar, Tieflings and other planetouched beings into the new Nephilim versatile heritage. Level Up has already done something similar with their Planetouched heritage.

Likewise. My planetouched I'm still working on though, inasmuch as I'm "working" on this at all, because we have three ready to hand options (aasimar = celestials/good planes, tieflings = fiends/evil planes, genasi = elementals/chaotic planes), but the fourth isn't as obvious. Machine people are Forgeborn and insectoid people are a totally separate thing so...what are the planar people who dwell in, or arise out of, planes of order? As with all the others where you're from doesn't determine your alignment, of course.

 

[jmartkdr2]

I'm generally against subraces already; especially if they're based on culture. Culture shouldn't change inherent abilities.

I understand the need for some variety but I like how tieflings do it the best: there's some variety with what kind of magic you know but it's not really tied to culture, just physical diversity within the species.

For dwarves, I'd accept a need for both hill and mountain dwarves if 1) the difference between the two was clear and easily represented by game mechanics and 2) that distinction existed in the Forgotten Realms, the most popular setting. (FR has Shield and Gold dwarves, but the main physical difference between them is... skin color. Not something I'd want to assign ability boosts to.)

I accept subraces of elves, because elves have always done something with it and the different subraces access different kinds of magic (though they could do this better).

So honestly: I like this part of the new design. Generally.

 

[Corinnguard]

Likewise. My planetouched I'm still working on though, inasmuch as I'm "working" on this at all, because we have three ready to hand options (aasimar = celestials/good planes, tieflings = fiends/evil planes, genasi = elementals/chaotic planes), but the fourth isn't as obvious. Machine people are Forgeborn and insectoid people are a totally separate thing so...what are the planar people who dwell in, or arise out of, planes of order? As with all the others where you're from doesn't determine your alignment, of course.

Well there were the Axani. They debuted in a Dragon Magazine in the 3e era alongside the Cansin and the Para-Elemental Genasi. Pathfinder 1st edition has the Aphorites. Aphorite – d20PFSRD

 

[CreamCloud0]

I have heard that Pathfinder 2nd edition is planning to merge the Aasimar, Tieflings and other planetouched beings into the new Nephilim versatile heritage. Level Up has already done something similar with their Planetouched heritage.

okay i admit aasimar and tieflings are the one reasonable exception there, given that their origins are basically very similar just with the influence of differently aligned extraplanar entities.

Likewise. My planetouched I'm still working on though, inasmuch as I'm "working" on this at all, because we have three ready to hand options (aasimar = celestials/good planes, tieflings = fiends/evil planes, genasi = elementals/chaotic planes), but the fourth isn't as obvious. Machine people are Forgeborn and insectoid people are a totally separate thing so...what are the planar people who dwell in, or arise out of, planes of order? As with all the others where you're from doesn't determine your alignment, of course.

personally i'd be inclined to just make elemental/genasi the blanket 'G-E neutral' species, otherwise how do you determine which way someone leans when their parentage is from a chaotic good entity or any of the other three corners, are they aasimar or genasi? roll a metaphorical dice or what?