D&D (2024) No Dwarf, Halfling, and Orc suborgins, lineages, and legacies

[Micah Sweet]

I have heard that Pathfinder 2nd edition is planning to merge the Aasimar, Tieflings and other planetouched beings into the new Nephilim versatile heritage. Level Up has already done something similar with their Planetouched heritage.

Sure, but there are many heritage gifts representing different kinds of planetouched.

 

[Corinnguard]

personally i'd be inclined to just make elemental/genasi the blanket 'neutral' species, otherwise how do you determine which way someone leans when their parentage is from a chaotic good entity or any of the other three corners, are they aasimar or genasi?

Pathfinder 1st edition had it where they were focusing more on the Genie-kin's elemental nature rather than on which kind of elemental sired their bloodline. They even had alternate elemental variants for their Genie-kin. Earth Genie-kin or Oreads, for instance, had variants representing Crystal and Metal.

 

[Scribe]

Good. Get rid of all “sub-races” and make that all an aspect of background/culture.

Why? At that point delete the species option.

 

[Corinnguard]

Sure, but there are many heritage gifts representing different kinds of planetouched.

True. I am not completely satisfied with the Planetouched heritage to be honest. I feel like it could use some lineages to help distinguish those Planetouched that have a Celestial, Fiendish or Elemental nature.

 

[Scribe]

what are the planar people who dwell in, or arise out of, planes of order?

Dwarves, for me.

 

[el-remmen]

Why? At that point delete the species option.

I cannot follow the logic of your jump from no subspecies to no species at all.

As for why, it keeps things distinct but simple + the notion of “subspecies” for sapient peoples strikes me as weird.

(And honestly, not a fan of “species” as the term. I personally use “peoples” in my own setting material)

 

[Mind of tempest]

i don't think they're not distinct, but to anyone who doesn't really care that strongly about the nuances of either 'just squash the two small humanoids together' very easily sounds like a reasonable enough solution, that doesn't mean it is though, but i mean hey, while we're condensing species why not shove the two strong species of orcs and goliaths together into a single species right? it's not like they've got their own distinctions, or maybe the magically inclined elves and githzerai? and there's no point in having both aasimar AND tieflings? get rid of all these unnecassary statblocks cluttering up the books.

I have heard them described as such all halflings are born as eternal 60-year-grandparents and all gnomes are eternal 6 years old and on every energy drink known they just with increasing ability to not get kicked out of society.

I cannot follow the logic of your jump from no subspecies to no species at all.

As for why, it keeps things distinct but simple + the notion of “subspecies” for sapient peoples strikes me as weird.

(And honestly, not a fan of “species” as the term. I personally use “peoples” in my own setting material)

we used to have two human ones in real life just wandering around unfortunately they sort of got merged into the single big human population as it would be kinda cool to still have Neanderthal and Denisovan wandering around and playing board games with us.

 

[Scribe]

I cannot follow the logic of your jump from no subspecies to no species at all.

As for why, it keeps things distinct but simple + the notion of “subspecies” for sapient peoples strikes me as weird.

(And honestly, not a fan of “species” as the term. I personally use “peoples” in my own setting material)

If culture/background can be a stand in for subspecies with the Stat mods included, why bother, just refluff things and have humans with funny hats, and cultures/backgrounds.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I have heard them described as such all halflings are born as eternal 60-year-grandparents and all gnomes are eternal 6 years old and on every energy drink known they just with increasing ability to not get kicked out of society

And you can describe dwarfs as all eternal drunk, grumpy stick-in-the-muds and elves as all eternal stuck-up elitists, but that doesn’t mean that’s all they are.

 

[Mind of tempest]

And you can describe dwarfs as all eternal drunk, grumpy stick-in-the-muds and elves as all eternal stuck-up elitists, but that doesn’t mean that’s all they are.

true but a simple description to explain them is not going to be deep