D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?

[soviet]

You keep insisting this, we keep pointing out the clear text. It clearly states for the noble background feat that " You can secure an audience with a local noble if you need to." Does securing an audience require anything? Any effort at all on part of the player? It will happen if the player expresses a desire and the DM follows the literal text of the rule. You can enforce some role play requirements as a DM if you want, it will never change the outcome.

The DM can always change the rule, and personally I do, but I admit I am changing the rule and will explain my approach to players in a session 0.

The point is, how is any of this different from the stated requirements of a persuade check, or an attack roll?

 

[Oofta]

The point is, how is any of this different from the stated requirements of a persuade check, or an attack roll?

A roll is not guaranteed to succeed. The DC can be adjusted as needed based on circumstances. The player can be granted advantage or disadvantage based on circumstances. The DM can decide that success is automatic or that it is not possible. The two are completely different.

The only commonality they have is that role playing is not required. That's left up to the group.

 

[mamba]

The other poster claimed the rules said something, without providing evidence.

not sure who that is, @Oofta quotes the features and they very clearly say they always work automatically, no effort required

“Feature: Rustic Hospitality
Since you come from the ranks of the common folk, you fit in among them with ease. You can find a place to hide, rest, or recuperate among other commoners, unless you have shown yourself to be a danger to them. They will shield you from the law or anyone else searching for you, though they will not risk their lives for you.”

they basically fall over each other to help me out if I so much as bring it up, no persuasion needed

What do you suggest I do to prove the negative?

how about agree that they were right? The rest of the book will not change what the feature says, so either you explain how the interpretation of how the feature works is wrong, or you have to agree that it is correct. The rest of the book does not help you there

 

[mamba]

The point is, how is any of this different from the stated requirements of a persuade check, or an attack roll?

as was explained, the difference is that no roll is needed, so you can roleplay it out and make a good or a bad case, but none of it it will affect the DC / outcome at all

 

[soviet]

as was explained, the difference is that no roll is needed, so you can roleplay it out and make a good or a bad case, but none of it it will affect the DC / outcome at all

So all roleplaying that doesn't set up a dice roll is unnecessary and you strip it out? That's how you play?

 

[Maxperson]

That seems to be an issue of players picking characters unfir to the gampaign.

Or of a player roleplaying. Maybe I want part of my PC's background to be that of a sailor who narrowly survived a shipwreck and decided to get as far away from water as he possibly could, ending up in the desert that the DM is running the campaign in.

 

[soviet]

not sure who that is, @Oofta quotes the features and they very clearly say they always work automatically, no effort required

“Feature: Rustic Hospitality
Since you come from the ranks of the common folk, you fit in among them with ease. You can find a place to hide, rest, or recuperate among other commoners, unless you have shown yourself to be a danger to them. They will shield you from the law or anyone else searching for you, though they will not risk their lives for you.”

they basically fall over each other to help me out if I so much as bring it up, no persuasion needed


how about agree that they were right? The rest of the book will not change what the feature says, so either you explain how the interpretation of how the feature works is wrong, or you have to agree that it is correct. The rest of the book does not help you there

They do not say that no roleplaying is required

 

[Micah Sweet]

So all roleplaying that doesn't set up a dice roll is unnecessary and you strip it out? That's how you play?

That's how the rules work, lending legitimacy to players who claim that's how you play.

 

[Maxperson]

The other poster claimed the rules said something, without providing evidence.

What do you suggest I do to prove the negative? Copy paste the entire rulebook?

I mean, does it really matter. The main issue is that it works 100% according to what is written. Does it really matter that the player has to go through a modicum of roleplay or not.

Player: "I walk up to the farmer and say, "My name is Diego Toyota. My friends and I need a place to stay."
Farmer: "I have heard of you and how you saved the town of Getmy from the rampaging goat. And of how you saved Tilly from the rat that chased her up onto the table. You and your friends may stay in my barn for the night."

It doesn't take much and success is assumed to happen every time it is used, unless you have threatened them in some way or they could die by hiding you. It's the assumption that it always works when the player tries to use the ability that's the problem. Sometimes the ability shouldn't work based on the circumstances in the fiction.

 

[Maxperson]

The point is, how is any of this different from the stated requirements of a persuade check, or an attack roll?

Those can fail. And in the case of a persuade check, the DM can auto fail it if appropriate and not even allow you to roll.