Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Hussar]

So, it's been a minute or two, and apparently, The Acolyte is being watched pretty heavily. As in the best release on D+ of the year.

Can I bask in the schadenfreude of watching a bajillion idiots that the youtube algorithm seems to think I would like to watch who have predicted the absolute downfall of this show because of wokeness now having to eat their words as this appears to be a really popular Star Wars outing?

Is that okay to do?

 

[Belen]

So, it's been a minute or two, and apparently, The Acolyte is being watched pretty heavily. As in the best release on D+ of the year.

Can I bask in the schadenfreude of watching a bajillion idiots that the youtube algorithm seems to think I would like to watch who have predicted the absolute downfall of this show because of wokeness now having to eat their words as this appears to be a really popular Star Wars outing?

Is that okay to do?

Do you mean the 4.8 million in the first 24 hours? Those were global numbers and represent 3% of the D+ subs.

Until we get the weekly or Nielsen numbers, then this is pure spin unfortunately.

It also shows that D+ is doing poorly if that is their biggest numbers.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

(As an aside, that impenetrable Force field effect was pretty cool.)

Whilst this is true it's pretty wild that we're in an era where CGI has become so common and so dull, good mime and wire-work now looks far more impressive. Ten years ago there'd have been some shield flaring and stuff when she tried to punch/kick him for sure. This is much better than that.

It also shows that D+ is doing poorly if that is their biggest numbers.

All non-Netflix services are "doing poorly" by comparison. Netflix itself is only "doing okay" by its own standards.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I love SW and there are well-written media in the form of games, novels, and movies but they are not hiring from the A, B, or C team.

Why don't you specifically name what you consider "well-written" here? I suspect you're trying to avoid putting a list of stuff you like because of vibes, but which is highly open to criticism.

I can't think of a single "well-written" Star Wars game since KotOR2, for example. Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor have, at best, extremely mid-to-bad writing, for example.

Movies I suspect you're going for Rogue One, but the writing there is pretty bad, despite Tony Gilroy being airdropped in to try and rescue it. Fundamentally Gary Whitta can't write for toffee, and that's never changed - he's just inexplicably got an "in" at Hollywood despite his repeated direly-written movies.

Also love to hear which SW novels you're thinking are "well-written".

You claiming that Leslye "Russian Doll" Headland isn't the "A, B or C team", which is a staggeringly nasty claim, means you kind of need to answer this, because otherwise your credibility is like, literally negative - i.e. what you're saying should be seen as actively wrong, what you're endorsing should be seen as actively bad. You need to justify your position with specific examples, I would suggest, or admit you have no position except vibes.

 

[MarkB]

Why don't you specifically name what you consider "well-written" here? I suspect you're trying to avoid putting a list of stuff you like because of vibes, but which is highly open to criticism.

I can't think of a single "well-written" Star Wars game since KotOR2, for example. Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor have, at best, extremely mid-to-bad writing, for example.

Movies I suspect you're going for Rogue One, but the writing there is pretty bad, despite Tony Gilroy being airdropped in to try and rescue it. Fundamentally Gary Whitta can't write for toffee, and that's never changed - he's just inexplicably got an "in" at Hollywood despite his repeated direly-written movies.

Also love to hear which SW novels you're thinking are "well-written".

You claiming that Leslye "Russian Doll" Headland isn't the "A, B or C team", which is a staggeringly nasty claim, means you kind of need to answer this, because otherwise your credibility is like, literally negative - i.e. what you're saying should be seen as actively wrong, what you're endorsing should be seen as actively bad. You need to justify your position with specific examples, I would suggest, or admit you have no position except vibes.

Do you honestly think a discussion of subjective opinions about specific peoples' writing quality across Star Wars media has the slightest chance of going anywhere positive?

 

[Belen]

You claiming that Leslye "Russian Doll" Headland isn't the "A, B or C team", which is a staggeringly nasty claim, means you kind of need to answer this, because otherwise your credibility is like, literally negative - i.e. what you're saying should be seen as actively wrong, what you're endorsing should be seen as actively bad. You need to justify your position with specific examples, I would suggest, or admit you have no position except vibes.

I get it. No one is allowed to have a negative opinion unless it is nefarious and toxic.

I have dislike all of the Disney Plus live action shows. The Mando season 1 and 2 were mid, at best. I thought 1/3 of Andor was really excellent but bogged down by the rest of the 2/3. Rogue was was great for half the movie. I always skip the first half of the movie. I never understand why so many people think it is great except maybe stockholm syndrome. Force Awakens had potential. I loved Rey and Finn and their relationship. I was not a fan of Poe. I wanted more Rey and Finn, especially Finn. Boyega was great and utterly misused.

I enjoyed the animated offering much more. Rebels, Clone Wars 7 and Bad Batch were good and I enjoyed the characters and stories. Resistance was awful.

Heir to the Empire in the EU was great and I also highly enjoyed Michael Stackpole's X-Wing series and I remember enjoying Black Fleet Crisis but it has been a few decades since I read it. I was never a fan of the Vong stuff although a few books were enjoyable there.

I am a huge Ahsoka fan and I really love Rosario Dawson. She plays an older Ahsoka very well and Natasha was a great casting choice for Sabine, but the show was garbage. It did not even get to the point until the final 2 episodes. I really like Baylin, but they did nothing with him or his apprentice. The character changes for Sabine were just bad and took her backwards from Rebels and the explanation and shoehorning her as a force -user were done poorly.

It has nothing to do with "vibes." I dislike the live offerings. They are just bad. There are some hints of good ideas but never executed well. They shows always seemed rushed, maybe because they have short seasons and runtimes. They jump from place to place rather than taking their time. Andor was a rare exception, but often just stalled. I will watch season 2 as I liked the characters.

These are my opinions but I find the writing is terrible across the board. I stand by my opinion and my "A, B, and C team" statement. Maybe they are decent writers and the Lucasfilm leaders are doing them dirty and making compromises that affect the final product but I have zero confidence in live action SW now.

 

[Belen]

Do you honestly think a discussion of subjective opinions about specific peoples' writing quality across Star Wars media has the slightest chance of going anywhere positive?

No. It is just meant to try to generate a "gotcha" moment so that a person can be labeled and dismissed. I could be wrong about the intent and I apologize if I am, but it sounded like an attempt at a personal attack.

 

[Reynard]

I would like it if this thread was about the show, and not about the miasma of politics that constantly surrounds all things Disney.

Like I said, the show was decent, but elevated to "good" by some great choreography and wire-fu. I hope that remains the case. I still don't know why you hire CAM and only use her for one scene.

 

[MarkB]

I still don't know why you hire CAM and only use her for one scene.

There's no way we're not getting some extensive flashbacks at some point, maybe a whole episode.

 

[Reynard]

There's no way we're not getting some extensive flashbacks at some point, maybe a whole episode.

Probably as an episode. i think that if they were going to do it in pieces, we would have gotten a hint already by the end of Ep 2.