Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Ruin Explorer]

Yes. Here is what I think is going on: Upon being told that Mae was going to hand herself in, Sith Master Qimir contacts apprentice/fake Sith Indara by comlink and orders her to get her butt over to Kelnacca's place, silence him and prevent Mae falling into jedi hands.

I think it's more like Sith Master Qimir just let himself down and beat Mae to the punch to make a point, given the comment about "needing a guide" and so on.

That's incredibly insulting.

I mean, it's obviously true if we're talking about most self-declared Gen X "Star Wars fans", and given how they've reacted to literally every female character and character of colour from about 2015 onwards, so...?

Boba Fett featured white male leads

Ummmm. No? Definitely not lol. Wow. I mean the poor Maori guy certainly got made a bit pale by those digestive acids but come on, it's Temuera Morrison!

Obi-Wan took huge criticism from the same "50 year old incel" (the new sequel to "40 year old virgin" maybe?) crowd because they all loathed the black female inquisitor.

To be clear I'm not calling you out on these - I believe you when you say that's not the issue - but I need to point out that for an awful lot of people loudly claiming to be "Star Wars fans" (many of them over 50), race and gender did seem to play in.

 

[Zardnaar]

I think it's more like Sith Master Qimir just let himself down and beat Mae to the punch to make a point, given the comment about "needing a guide" and so on.


I mean, it's obviously true if we're talking about most self-declared Gen X "Star Wars fans", and given how they've reacted to literally every female character and character of colour from about 2015 onwards, so...?


Ummmm. No? Definitely not lol. Wow. I mean the poor Maori guy certainly got made a bit pale by those digestive acids but come on, it's Temuera Morrison!

Obi-Wan took huge criticism from the same "50 year old incel" (the new sequel to "40 year old virgin" maybe?) crowd because they all loathed the black female inquisitor.

To be clear I'm not calling you out on these - I believe you when you say that's not the issue - but I need to point out that for an awful lot of people loudly claiming to be "Star Wars fans" (many of them over 50), race and gender did seem to play in.

Reverse is also true if you criticize the show.

As I said you can ignore chuds they're gonna hate no matter what. Disney live action has been very mixed. Their animation has been fantastic.

Star Wars fan base skews heavily male (2/3rds approx) and over 30.

Counterpoint is Fallout show. Even more of a sausage fest but the show went down really well with them featuring female and black protagonists. I loved it and I'm not hard core Fallout fan.

Rebels the ladies stole the show, Bad Batch Omega went down well. Ahsoka kinda screwed up the characters from Rebels (including hersellf). They're breaking the annoying kid trope though with Omega and Hera's son.

There's been recurring problems in live action Star Wars starting from TLJ. TFA had some minor issues comparatively big one being a bit to familiar to ANH.

They have a group trying to keep things togather but they get over ruled. JJ Abrams wanted to blow up Coruscant apparently, Hosnian Prime was the compromise.

Nuance and subtlety isn't Disney's strong point. They treat you like an idiot making it very obvious or vague and confusing (I'm the spy, somehow Palpatine returned). Dark helmet is either Mr Obvious or a obvious fakeout depending on which way they pull the trigger. If Darkhelmet isn't a new character or captain obvious it's another I'm the spy moment. There's another somewhat logical candidate whose not captain obvious but we will see if it's her.

Early Acolyte got praised for its fight scenes. Mae killing Inara was great. Twin thing was great (gets around villain as protagonist). Cheating for the win. Totally darkside/Sith. Best part of the show. And not used last two episodes.

 

[Belen]

I mean, it's obviously true if we're talking about most self-declared Gen X "Star Wars fans", and given how they've reacted to literally every female character and character of colour from about 2015 onwards, so...?

To be clear I'm not calling you out on these - I believe you when you say that's not the issue - but I need to point out that for an awful lot of people loudly claiming to be "Star Wars fans" (many of them over 50), race and gender did seem to play in.

I have liked most of the actors and characters I have seen. I loved Rey and Finn and though they made a great pair but I hated what they did to them in TLJ. I wanted more of them together on screen. I really loved Ahsoka and Sabine. They did great bringing those characters to life. I liked Reva's character but I would have preferred an inquisitors series focused on her rather than the compromise we got for Obi. That series would have been better focused on Obi and Vader and I just did not believe that Leia had that type of interaction with Obi and then zero reaction when he died.

Overall, I have felt that the writing has been subpar. It may not even be the writers fault but rather the corporate direction that has hamstrung the entire process.

It feels like most of the content is swiss cheese full of hero walks or set pieces with no connective tissue. It is like "this sounds cool, put it in" and no one says how did we get from point A to B?

It just feels like they have no core direction for the franchise.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Counterpoint is Fallout show

The vast majority of the audience for that show had never played (or even heard of) the games before hand. A lot went out and played them after seeing the show, hence the huge spike in sales.

And my purely subjective impression is a large portion of the audience who enjoyed the TV show was female.

I think the main thing with Star Wars is they are trying to find new fans, because the old fans are a massive liability.

 

[Zardnaar]

The vast majority of the audience for that show had never played (or even heard of) the games before hand. A lot went out and played them after seeing the show, hence the huge spike in sales.

And my purely subjective impression is a large portion of the audience who enjoyed the TV show was female.

I think the main thing with Star Wars is they are trying to find new fans, because the old fans are a massive liability.

You can keep old fans and get new ones. Cobra Kai for example seemed to have pulled it off. I would argue Fallout as well.

They pissed of millions of fans with the leends thing. Fair enough as to why they did it but they didn't seem to learn anything either.

So we had examples of better writing in Legends. The guys involved with KotoR one wrote the Darth Bane books and was involved in Mass Effect. Hmmnnn.

Ignoring that one can compare the writing in animated to what we are getting. Don't like animated? How about Rogue One Mando S2, and Andor. Hell Ahsoka had some cool bits as well.

Acolytes also coming after recent Bad Batch and Tales of the Empire shows which very very well received and reasonably well received. Onne even set up a spin off.

 

[Zardnaar]

If you want a non chud youtuber maybe watch the first 30 seconds of this guy. He's very good at pop culture and movie type stuff.

No biggie if you don't like his style.

 

[Bedrockgames]

You can keep old fans and get new ones. Cobra Kai for example seemed to have pulled it off. I would argue Fallout as well.

Yeah, Cobra Kai does a good job of bringing fans together who might otherwise be embroiled in these kinds of debates. It is one of the few shows I still watch. One of the reasons I don't really watch much television that is new, is because it feels like on the one hand, companies stoke the flames calling some fans trolls for not liking what they made, but on the other there is a whole cottage industry built on outraged reactions (so people become incentivized to always dislike it no matter what, because of audience capture). I don't find any of this enjoyable. I do think passionate fan debates are part of what drive a show. But when people are effectively treating one another as political enemies over a TV show, something has gone deeply off the road.

 

[Belen]

Yeah, Cobra Kai does a good job of bringing fans together who might otherwise be embroiled in these kinds of debates. It is one of the few shows I still watch. One of the reasons I don't really watch much television that is new, is because it feels like on the one hand, companies stoke the flames calling some fans trolls for not liking what they made, but on the other there is a whole cottage industry built on outraged reactions (so people become incentivized to always dislike it no matter what, because of audience capture). I don't find any of this enjoyable. I do think passionate fan debates are part of what drive a show. But when people are effectively treating one another as political enemies over a TV show, something has gone deeply off the road.

Truth!

 

[Older Beholder]

I came across a theory that Mae and Osha are the same person, (Like in a fight club), which I'm starting to think makes a lot of sense (despite some misdirects and contradictions).
It's unlikely, but still interesting.

Personally I'm enjoying the mystery aspect of the show.

 

[Zardnaar]

I came across a theory that Mae and Osha are the same person, (Like in a fight club), which I'm starting to think makes a lot of sense (despite some misdirects and contradictions).
It's unlikely, but still interesting.

Personally I'm enjoying the mystery aspect of the show.

At first I thought that. Jekyll and Hyde type thing.