D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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People calling him out for his behavior is absolutely the definition of "blowback". Trying to restrict it to something financial is utterly inane. Most controversies don't reach that sort of level to begin with, but that doesn't mean they aren't controversies.



If this were the case, then nothing would be controversial because no one would agree on anything. You keep putting this weird, overly-broad definitions to everything and they aren't really helping your argument.

The fact of the matter is that Gary got called out on his antics, enough so that he felt compelled to actually talk and complain about it in an interview and proudly declare himself a sexist.



I won't compare because I don't need to make comparisons. There's no point to because I can actually directly reference the topic, which is something you seem to be unable to do.



Did he say that? When did he say that? Because the interview he complains about a bunch of people apparently complaining about him, which is blowback. Fun fact: people with bad opinions can romanticize the past, too. In fact, we have a lot of people who will do it for them, apparently.



You keep saying this, and we keep telling you that we have people saying differently. The fact that you keep going back to this like it's some sort of magic cure-all is baffling.



That's great, but I don't think you are as informed on the topic as you think you are and given what has been presented in this thread I'd say you're wrong unless you are going to provide actual proof and not try to simply reference other, different problematic content that isn't problematic in the same way.



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Your thought experiment is unnecessary. We have stuff we can reference. That you clearly don't want to reference it tells me the strength of your argument.

I'm not allowed to reference my arguments. It overlaps with what I would do as grand high poobah.

It would offend everyone put it that way. I wouldn't be copying America put it that way. In broad terms think Finland, FDR, Massive tax hikes.

Not disagreeing with the the journeys destination more how to get there. Eg picking fights on Twitter is a complete waste of time if not counter productive.
 

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I'm not allowed to reference my arguments. It overlaps with what I would do as grand high poobah.

It would offend everyone put it that way. I wouldn't be copying America put it that way. In broad terms think Finland, FDR, Massive tax hikes.

Not disagreeing with the the journeys destination more how to get there. Eg picking fights on Twitter is a complete waste of time if not counter productive.

I'm not sure what the start of that... word medley is supposed to reference, but when it comes to that last part about Twitter: there is value in counter-programming and not ceding the narrative simply because of where the conversation is taking place. It's way worse to let people put out arguments like that unchallenged because suddenly people start believing them, and it's much harder to influence someone who already believes something than someone who is just starting to hear about such things and wants more information.
 

The entire origin of this thread is as follows: Historians, in mammoth historical volume about the early history of D&D, included a few lines in the Foreword stating that Gary and some of that material was sexist.
Honestly, they don't even go that far: they don't say anything about anyone personally, just that certain elements in the texts have aged poorly and WotC would not print them other than in a historical work presenting the context. Nothing personal about it they just ut wanted to clarify that they were not endorsing some of the weird elements in these historical documents.
 
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I'm not sure what the start of that... word medley is supposed to reference, but when it comes to that last part about Twitter: there is value in counter-programming and not ceding the narrative simply because of where the conversation is taking place. It's way worse to let people put out arguments like that unchallenged because suddenly people start believing them, and it's much harder to influence someone who already believes something than someone who is just starting to hear about such things and wants more information.

You're also helping out Melon Husk and the Wicked Witch of TERF Island. Let them have there cuddle bunny hug box let it rot and lose money. Winng move there is not to play. In a just world imminent domain it and put 180 cat emoji on it and that's all you can post.

My word medley would involve topics explicitly banned here.
 

Honestly, they don't even go that far: they don't say anything about anyone personally, just that certain elements in the texts have aged poorly and WotC would not print them other than in a historical work presenting the context. Nothing personal about it they just ut wanted to clarify that they were not endorsing some of the weird elements in these historical documents.

You're correct. I'll go and edit for clarity.
 



No. I mean it in practical terms. What positive end do you feel that repetition accomplished?

In practical terms?

In practical terms very little I have ever done has ever changed anything in any meaningful way. On this site, off this site, digitally or personally, I have largely failed to make a positive impact on the world and practically changed anything.

I much prefer some idealism that my actions might one day amount to something, rather than using my lack of impact as the final excuse to abandon the last vestiges of self-esteem I have left.
 

The funny thing is that TSR made some effort in their advertising to attract women and girls. I don't just mean Gary's daughter in makeup and fancy outfits. But look at ads from the 70s and 80s, including their television ads, and you'll see women and girls sitting at the table playing the game. Even if Gary didn't think women had the mind to play, someone thought they might.
 

To shift around, I have been considering the argument of "man of his times" because there are a few times I have heard it that I have no dismissed it outside of this discussion, and I wanted to examine if there was ever a point where that argument held any water. And I did find one "exception" to my dismissal of the argument.

To use an example near and dear to my heart, I am going to briefly talk about Eiichiro Oda, the writer of One Piece. Some time back, about a year ago at this point, I was listening to a video of Oda about his depictions of Trans characters. For those unfamiliar with One Piece, there are a few deeply beloved Trans, Genderfluid, or Non-binary characters in the story. Particularly Bon Clay, known as Mr. 2 who introduced themself as both a man and a woman.

During the video, the commenter also discussed a new character, Yamato, who choose to identify as Kozuki Oden, and declare that they are the a man just like Oden. And they mentioned that Yamato's depiction was divisive. Along with a few other cross-dressing and trans characters who just missed the mark and that frustrated the larger LGBTQ community. They felt Oda could do better than he had with these depictions.

And this is where the argument came in. And I agree with it. It is important to remember that Oda is an old, Japanese man, in a highly traditional culture, working in a heavily male and straight male dominated field and that as a man of his time and culture he was not going to get things perfect.... but he is trying.

And there is the key.

I even put it terms of racism with a hypothetical. Just to make sure this wasn't a specific LGBTQ exception. I remember that, quite famously, Thomas Jefferson refused to read the works of Frederick Douglas. That was racist of him. So I imagined a different governor who did read Frederick's works, who invited him into his home, had dinner discussed and listened to him and at the end of the day, slapped him on the back and said "Boy, I must say, you are certainly one of the good ones."

Oof. That would be pretty racist... but he is trying, right? He is a man of his culture and his time and while what he said isn't acceptable... he was trying to be better, he was trying to do the right thing. He just stumbled over his blindspots. And I can be a lot more forgiving, and a lot more willing to accept the argument of "he is a man of his time" or "it was how he was raised" when I can honestly believe that they are trying to be BETTER than their times or how they were raised. It doesn't lead to what he hypotheitcally said being okay, but you get the sense if he realized what he was doing, he'd be upset or embarrassed by his actions.

So, then I turned back to Gygax. And I considered, if Gygax had EVER attempted to be a better person about his sexism, if there was a shred of evidence to show that he was trying to be understanding or welcoming of women in the hobby.... someone would have brought it up by now. We have so many pseudo-historians of DnD in this thread and this community, if anyone could find anything to show that... it would have been brought up by now. So, I can only conclude... he was never trying to be better. He never attempted to confront his prejudice and attempt to make amends, or anything of the sort.

So, yes, there is a time and place where the "man of his time" argument could be used and I would accept it as a valid point. This time, with Gygax, is not that place.
 

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