D&D (2024) D&D species article

[Yaarel]

Yeah, thst sounds about right.

And then establishing an evergreen base was always an explicit goal of Next. And it would seem that they succeeded.

And that sounds about right. It was a motive for the massive survey.

 

[M.L. Martin]

There was a time when 4e original and 4e essentials were available at the same time. It might be in this context they started talking about "evergreen".

If that's what you're talking about, then Essentials was meant to be 'evergreen' in the sense that 'retailers can stock these 10 products and point people to them in perpetuity as a starting point', with the subtext of 'the numbered PHB, DMG, MM series didn't work out as well as we expected.'

It was also, I think, meant heavily for non-specialty places like bookstores ... and just as Essentials launched, the bottom dropped out of the bookstore industry.

 

[Zuranthium]

Give me a specific example of a lie.

In the Ranger video Jeremy Crawford claims "we made it into a whole new class!" There are many instances of this throughout the promotional videos. In reality they are just doing minor updates, the majority of which already existed in recent books like Tasha's, to get more money out of people.

 

[Micah Sweet]

In the Ranger video Jeremy Crawford claims "we made it into a whole new class!" There are many instances of this throughout the promotional videos. In reality they are just doing minor updates, the majority of which already existed in recent books like Tasha's, to get more money out of people.

And much like previous edition changes, I expect many folks aren't really familiar with Tasha's (just using the PH) and will understandably see 2024 as a big change, perhaps jarringly so.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Yeah, they have been consistent in talking in terms of the old PHB to the new PHB.

Ranger from 2014 to 2024:
Favored Enemy - effectively Gone
Natural Explorer - Gone
Primeval Awareness - Gone
Land's Stride - Gone
Hide in Plain Sight - Gone
Vanish - gone
Foe Slayer - effectively gone
Fighting style - expanded
spellcasting - moved to level 1
Weapon Mastery - Brand new
New Favored Enemy - works completely differently
Deft Explorer - New feature
Roving - New Feature
Expertise - New feature
Tireless - new feature
Nature's Veil - New Feature
Relentless Hunter - New feature
Precise Hunter - New feature
Feral Senses - reworked
New Foe Slayer - works completely differently

Sure, you may have seen these things in Tasha's, but those were optional features most people didn't see. Compare PHB to PHB and these are massive changes that do make a big difference.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, they have been consistent in talking in terms of the old PHB to the new PHB.

Ranger from 2014 to 2024:
Favored Enemy - effectively Gone
Natural Explorer - Gone
Primeval Awareness - Gone
Land's Stride - Gone
Hide in Plain Sight - Gone
Vanish - gone
Foe Slayer - effectively gone
Fighting style - expanded
spellcasting - moved to level 1
Weapon Mastery - Brand new
New Favored Enemy - works completely differently
Deft Explorer - New feature
Roving - New Feature
Expertise - New feature
Tireless - new feature
Nature's Veil - New Feature
Relentless Hunter - New feature
Precise Hunter - New feature
Feral Senses - reworked
New Foe Slayer - works completely differently

Sure, you may have seen these things in Tasha's, but those were optional features most people didn't see. Compare PHB to PHB and these are massive changes that do make a big difference.

But all those things they took away are just "niche", right?

 

[Zuranthium]

Sure, you may have seen these things in Tasha's, but those were optional features most people didn't see. Compare PHB to PHB and these are massive changes that do make a big difference.

Tasha's is a product that people had to paid for. Doesn't matter if less people have it than the PHB, it's still a regurgitation of material, not something really new.

I highly disagree that the Ranger can be called "a completely different class" between the two handbooks to begin with. Moving their spell table 1 level earlier is not a "a new class". That's a tweak. Same for the abilities they adjusted. There is nothing groundbreaking that was introduced. It's been widely jeered at how weak and completely vanilla their capstone ability is in the new handbook, and the reliance on Hunters Mark's, an already existing ability.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Bringing things back to species, anyone else disappointed Aasinar were just MotM but more flexible version instead of more like the Tiefling with lineage options?

 

[Scribe]

Bringing things back to species, anyone else disappointed Aasinar were just MotM but more flexible version instead of more like the Tiefling with lineage options?

Almost everything about this update is disappointing, I was hoping there was stuff left out and they would cover the Upper Planes with the Aasimar as well.

 

[Corinnguard]

Bringing things back to species, anyone else disappointed Aasinar were just MotM but more flexible version instead of more like the Tiefling with lineage options?

I was hoping that they would be like the 2024 Tiefling in that we would get three different lineages of Aasimar. The MotM version is okay if all you wanted to role-play was an angel-descended Aasimar. Some of us, however, would like to be an Aasimar with ties to another kind of Celestial.