WotC WotC Removes Digital Content Team Credits From D&D Beyond

Screenshot 2024-07-26 at 14.23.14.png


According to Faith Elisabeth Lilley, who was on the digital content team at Wizards of the Coast, the contributor credits for the team have been removed from DDB.

The team was responsible for content feedback and the implementation of book content on the online platform. While it had been indicated to them that they would not be included in the credits of the physical books for space reasons, WotC apparently agreed to include them in the online credits.

It appears that those credits have now been removed.

I just discovered that I have been removed from book credits on D&D Beyond for books I worked on while at Wizards of the Coast.

Background:

While at Wizards (so after D&D Beyond was purchased) - with numerous books, my digital content team and I worked directly with the book team on the content, reading through rules drafts, suggesting changes, giving ideas, and catching issues. We had a full database of the content and understood exactly how it interacted.

Given that we were contributing to the content in the books, I felt it reasonable to request that team be added to the credits, but was informed the credits section was already too crowded with the number of people involved and many of the marketing team had already been dropped from credits. I felt strongly that anyone actually contributing to what is in the printed book should be credited though, so we agreed a compromise, that the team would be added to the credits page on D&D Beyond only, as there is no issue with "not enough space" on a web page.

I've added screenshots here that I had for some of the books.

At some point recently, those credits pages have been edited to remove the credits for me and the content team. Nobody reached out to let me know - it just happened at some point, and I only just noticed.

We've even been removed from the digital-only releases, that only released on D&D Beyond, such as the Spelljammer Academy drops.

I'm not angry or upset, just yet again, really disappointed, as somehow I expected better.

EDIT TO ADD MORE CONTEXT

It's not just getting the books online. I worked with Kyle & Dan to improve the overall book process from ideation to delivery across all mediums (you should have seen the huge process charts I built out...)

The lead designers would send over the rules for each new rulebook and we'd go through it, give feedback, highlight potential balance issues, look at new rules/design that was difficult to implement digitally and suggest tweaks to improve it etc etc. We even had ideas for new content that was then included in the book.

We'd go through the whole book in detail, catching inconsistencies and miscalculations, and I'm proud to say that we dramatically reduced the need for clarifications or errata on those books.

I'm not saying anyone on the design or book team was careless - far from it, they're consummate professionals - I am just illustrating the role my team and I had in contributing to the content, quality & success of the physical books, let alone the digital versions.

We should have been in the credits section of the physical printed book. We were part of the creative process. That was something we were actively discussing when I was informed I was being laid off.

Adding the team to the credits pages just on D&D Beyond was, as I mentioned above, a compromise while we figured things out.

My team were fully credited on the Cortex: Prime and Tales of Xadia books when D&D Beyond was still part of Fandom, before the Wizards acquisition.

In fact for those books we made sure to credit the entire digital development team, including developers, community managers and so forth - everyone who helped make the book successful.

I know that Wizards has hundreds of people involved and previously hit issues with the number of people in credits for D&D books, so pulled back from crediting some roles.

Would it be so bad to have to dedicate extra space in a book to the people whose contributions made the book successful?

I really don't think it would.
 

log in or register to remove this ad

I have worked for many companies which no longer exist, meaning I have next to zero proof I worked for them. I would think think is the case for many folks out there. This argument doesn't hold a lot of water with me!
There is a whole cheat where people (and i can't prove it but I think people i interviewed for my team) lie and claim to have worked at closed buisnesses like circit city to fill holes in resumes and give addition title/skill set.

I have never gone that far... but I list what my title SHOULD have been for work load/job description for some jobs that I did when I should have stood up and said "If you want me to take over management I want management pay" and doing so got me into management...

There really isn't a 'permanent record' for most people... you have your medical records (unless the doc closed and didn't give them to you) you have your taxes and you have what you can show through references and your word...

I would KILL for having some kind of 'credit' that says "Hey Rob contributed significantly to this product and/or business" but at least here in CT all a former employer can do is confirm IF you worked there unless you go out of your way to use them as a reference.
 

log in or register to remove this ad


You provided links to certain places that make it hard to see credits. Not that hard = impossible, so even that doesn't negate my point. For the overwhelming number of RPG products, I can just go to the shelf and look, or buy from the shelf and look. For digital I can purchase and look.

Ultimately, though, the industry works the way it does. Credits are necessary for reasons that have been provided. And none of any of your arguments changes those facts or will change those facts. It really doesn't matter if you agree with the reasons or not, or what other industries do. 🤷‍♂️
I think the point of the folks whose posts I linked to were that what happened was a result of human nature. Neither you nor I (nor many others) like it, but that is the world we all live in. Crying about it does nothing. Acknowledging that this is the way many people will act, then responding accordingly... that accomplishes something.

To your point though, for most interviews, it sounds like checking credits is the point of least resistance, and that's what will happen. Although honestly calling an employer sounds like less effort than installing a game or creating an account to check credits, but let's say that this is true. Maybe that's the way "the industry works the way it does", as you say. It is sometimes hard to remove archaic behaviours. You might not like those fossilised actions, but there they are. Getting upset about them, serves no purpose. Work quietly in the background to remove them, awesome. Falling on your sword in front of them, less useful. Happy to hear counterarguments of course.
 


The route that employers generally take when they doubt the claims of an applicant is to call/send an email to the employer that the applicant claims they worked for and ask "was Person X employed by you between dates A and B on Project C in the role of D?".
You are extrapolating your industry to all industries and, effectively, calling everyone on this thread liars.

I have been a working professional for 34 years. I have had a new employer call a previous employer maybe once during that time. The rest of the time, they were looking at the work product I physically carried into the room or emailed them links to, where the credits were shown.

For the most part, employers in these fields don't really care what sort of employee someone is, they care about the work product. And the work product, with names attached, is what's presented to them.
All I was asking was what is the reason that people think that this mechanism used by virtually all employers doesn't work for this type of role?
Because getting whole industries to change to work the way you wish they would, as an outsider, is unlikely to happen.

Creative work relies on credits, whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it or not, whether it makes any sense to us or not.
 

I think the point of the folks whose posts I linked to were that what happened was a result of human nature. Neither you nor I (nor many others) like it, but that is the world we all live in. Crying about it does nothing. Acknowledging that this is the way many people will act, then responding accordingly... that accomplishes something.
Don't lump me in with you about not liking it. I'm not convinced the system of relying on credits is a bad one. See below.
To your point though, for most interviews, it sounds like checking credits is the point of least resistance, and that's what will happen. Although honestly calling an employer sounds like less effort than installing a game or creating an account to check credits, but let's say that this is true.
This ignores what I said about not being able to ask employers about work quality. In a lot of states you can only ask if they worked there and if they would be rehired. Those questions(deliberately) don't allow the prospective new employer to learn about work quality. Credits do.
 

There is a whole cheat where people (and i can't prove it but I think people i interviewed for my team) lie and claim to have worked at closed buisnesses like circit city to fill holes in resumes and give addition title/skill set.

I have never gone that far... but I list what my title SHOULD have been for work load/job description for some jobs that I did when I should have stood up and said "If you want me to take over management I want management pay" and doing so got me into management...

There really isn't a 'permanent record' for most people... you have your medical records (unless the doc closed and didn't give them to you) you have your taxes and you have what you can show through references and your word...

I would KILL for having some kind of 'credit' that says "Hey Rob contributed significantly to this product and/or business" but at least here in CT all a former employer can do is confirm IF you worked there unless you go out of your way to use them as a reference.
I'm not 100% sure where you are going with this.

Let me take a stab at it. I mentioned this upthread, but I have conducted many interviews over my career. Here's what I look for. I get the applicant to talk. What I want to hear is how well they understood, handled and took control of positions they used to work at. If someone can intelligently describe to me what they did and how they did it (which demonstrates an understanding of what they were working on), I'm sold. If they have references after this interview at which I am blown away, I check those. But I am already blown away.

You want to do yourself a favour? Go into an interview with confidence. No lies, admit what you don't know. Show me you took your previous roles seriously and tried to learn them, learn from them and improve them.

Don't worry about having credit you would kill for. That isn't what's going to get you the job.
 


Stop. Come back when you can be civil. You posted a bunch of stuff after this which may have been worth reading, but after this pettiness I can't be bothered.
I'm not being petty, I'm explaining why everyone is getting so frustrated with you.

"X is true."

"That doesn't make sense to me; this is clearly untrue."

"I can confirm, X is true."

"I also have dealt with this; X is true."

"No, it doesn't make sense to me, so therefore it isn't."

If you are genuinely interested in understanding what's going on, you need to let go of whether or not something is true in your personal experience.
 

Don't lump me in with you about not liking it. I'm not convinced the system of relying on credits is a bad one. See below.

This ignores what I said about not being able to ask employers about work quality. In a lot of states you can only ask if they worked there and if they would be rehired. Those questions(deliberately) don't allow the prospective new employer to learn about work quality. Credits do.
I'm not trying to lump you in with anything. Chill.

I don't know anything about US regulations. That is eyebrow raising. I get asked questions that would violate what you are saying regularly when I am used as a reference. What you are saying makes the presence of credits more important for sure. Speaks to a systemic problem with the hiring process in the US though (as a throwaway comment based on what you've just told me).
 

Related Articles

Remove ads

Remove ads

Top