D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[mamba]

That’s just a case of a spell being poorly named.

I mean, it’s not called Locate Traps

 

[Maxperson]

Finding you ends the Invisible condition on you (if you took the Hide action). It doesn't have any bearing on whether a given creature is aware of you or not. That's a DM judgement call based on the fiction of the game. So not every single person (enemy or otherwise) needs to be making a Perception check to interact with you - they can just walk up to you and ask what you're doing if they have reason to be suspicious.

The creature must be an enemy, though, or it cannot find you. The RAW clearly says, "an enemy finds you." The only other way is for a creature(they specifically use language other than enemy) to make a perception check equal to or greater than your hid check.

If the creature isn't an enemy and doesn't make a successful perception check, so long as you are quiet, and not attacking or casting a verbal spell, you can be standing in front of the creature and not be seen.

 

[mamba]

The Invisible condition isn't literally "turning invisible". It's a game effect without any further implications.

so the invisibility spell does not grant you invisibility, it grants you a slightly delayed reaction by the people around you who can still perfectly see you, got it.

 

[Thommy H-H]

The creature must be an enemy, though, or it cannot find you. The RAW clearly says, "an enemy finds you." The only other way is for a creature(they specifically use language other than enemy) to make a perception check equal to or greater than your hid check.

If the creature isn't an enemy and doesn't make a successful perception check, so long as you are quiet, and not attacking or casting a verbal spell, you can be standing in front of the creature and not be seen.

The rules for the Invisible condition don't say anything about a creature being unaware of your existence. If you stand in front of a creature, even with the Invisible condition, the DM can rule they know you're there based on the game's fiction. They will still have disadvantage to hit you, but as you say, we're not talking about an enemy, so they probably won't do that. They can talk to you, interact with you, whatever they want. Again, you're conflating the Invisible condition with your notion of "being invisible".

 

[Thommy H-H]

so the invisibility spell does not grant you invisibility, it grants you a slightly delayed reaction by the people around you who can still perfectly see you, got it.

No, they can't perfectly see you - you have the Invisible condition, and you only lose that in certain situations from the Invisibility spell, which differ from those required for the Hide action. How you interpret that in the fiction is up to you, but it seems to me that Hiding puts far more stringent requirements on your Invisible condition than the spell, such as might be explained by you literally turning invisible in the latter case. For example, you could speak at full volume, and would still be Invisible, which wouldn't be the case if you'd just ducked down behind a bush.

 

[mamba]

If you're not attacking, why are we even using the combat rules? Let's make a check and move on.

who says we are… I turned invisible and now make use of that effect / condition

 

[Thommy H-H]

who says we are… I turned invisible and now make use of that effect / condition

Okay? Then I'll rule based on the situation and the fiction. If you're sneaking through a guarded area, we'll make some Dexterity (Stealth) checks. If you want to do something that will draw attention to yourself, we'll discuss what's happening and whether the Invisible condition continues to apply, or grants any benefit if it does.

Did you all forget how to play D&D or something?

 

[mamba]

Finding you ends the Invisible condition on you (if you took the Hide action). It doesn't have any bearing on whether a given creature is aware of you or not. That's a DM judgement call based on the fiction of the game. So not every single person (enemy or otherwise) needs to be making a Perception check to interact with you - they can just walk up to you and ask what you're doing if they have reason to be suspicious.

that is just an incongruent mess. If they can just walk over to me then they already found me

 

[Pauln6]

Is there a video explaining what they were trying to fix? Some of this seems counter-intuitive and more confusing.

 

[Charlaquin]

It should come a no surprise when some people have never been able to get their heads around non-magical healing that they could not get their heads around non-magical invisibility.

I can get my head around both, I just don’t think hiding should grant invisibility, magical or otherwise.