D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[mamba]

Except that in the 2014 rules, not being seen is a requirement to become and remain hidden,

I said intend for a reason

This part is largely still true, minus potentially the remain part (whether the remain is still true is basically this entire discussion)

and the effect of being hidden is that creatures you were hidden from didn’t know your location. In the 2024 rules, not being seen is the effect of becoming hidden, and the rules are silent on the matter of if creatures know your location.

at best they know the location where they last saw you, before you performed the Hide action, but you could have moved unnoticed since

 

[Marandahir]

Invisibility just means that you can't be seen. I think people are confusing this with continuous magical invisibility as you move out of cover or make noises. This is literally just consolidating the condition of not being noticed with the magical condition that makes you not noticed.

 

[mamba]

Invisibility just means that you can't be seen. I think people are confusing this with continuous magical invisibility as you move out of cover or make noises. This is literally just consolidating the condition of not being noticed with the magical condition that makes you not noticed.

no one is confusing anything, we are saying this consolidation is not working

 

[Marandahir]

no one is confusing anything, we are saying this consolidation is not working

Seems fine to me. What is not working for you? Sorry, I'm not digging through 81 thread pages, this afternoon…

 

[Charlaquin]

Alright, here’s my proposed fix:

0. Change the name of the invisible condition to “hidden.” Technically not necessary, but might make the mechanics more palatable to some folks.
1. Delete the “concealed” benefit of the hidden condition because it’s tautological, and remove the unnecessary “somehow” from the language of the “attacks affected” benefit.
2. Add to the effects of all spells, magic items, and other sources of magical invisibility that creatures cannot see you unless they have blindsight, truesight, or a magical ability that allows them to see invisible creatures.

 

[Prism]

good to know that I cannot be poisoned outside of combat

I assume you know what the word most means?

 

[mamba]

Seems fine to me. What is not working for you? Sorry, I'm not digging through 81 thread pages, this afternoon…

you can stick to any two of them and find out

 

[Xetheral]

They were way better. The DM determined when circumstances were appropriate to hide, and you explicitly couldn’t ever hide from a creature that could see you clearly. If circumstances were appropriate to hide, you’d make a stealth check, and you’d be hidden from any creatures with lower passive perception than the result. If a creature used the search action to try to find you, the result of your stealth roll was the DC for their perception check. That was basically perfect.

I agree they were substantively better, but I think the 2014 Hiding rules were one of 5e's glaring weak points due to their ambiguity. My campaign documentation spends more time on clarifying/houseruling how I run the 2014 hiding rules than any other topic, by far.

 

[mamba]

I assume you know what the word most means?

yes, it is an excuse to arbitrarily differentiate without having to worry about or justify which condition goes where

 

[FrogReaver]

Seems fine to me. What is not working for you?

Maybe if you explain how you think it works we can point the the rules wording to explain the issues with that interpretation.

Sorry, I'm not digging through 81 thread pages, this afternoon…

We might not want to explain from scratch for the 100th time either. So how about meeting halfway?