D&D General Bob World Builder Recreates WOTC's "Do You Like Me?" Survey!

[KYRON45]

they want my business, don’t they? So they kind of have to meet me half way. I am not buying something just because they are creating it, I have to be sufficiently interested in the product and not turned of enough by the company to not buy it regardless of interest.

And when they create something you don't like you don't buy it.
Why is how the company is run relevant? I'll never understand that.
I'm not saying your point of view is wrong, i'm just trying to understand it.

 

[Remathilis]

no doubt


they have an odd way of going about it then. If it was fair use, why demand SF blur his video, and if they decided it was fair use after all, why not let him know so he can show the original version again

I think WotC feels burned and they are opting for overly cautious now. At least they pulled many of the copywrite strikes. I will admit I'm not in the weeds on the controversy, however.

 

[TiQuinn]

Is anyone having any fun with this game anymore?

For 5e, of course. For the 2024 edition, we're talking about an edition that hasn't seen general release yet.

Part of generating interest is using social media and YouTube channels to get early reviews, and showing the product off. Get people to want to buy it when it first comes out (if not pre-order). So, if that's the goal, why create a sidestory where you are issuing takedowns and taking air out of the sails of the very people that you want to hype up your product?

 

[TiQuinn]

It only takes one to ruin it for everyone

It's also possible to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Maxperson]

Why is it that you feel you are entitled to anything from a profit making entity?
What do you contribute to them?

Money is what I contribute to them. They screwed the pooch and if they want to rebuild the trust, they need to go above and beyond.

And by the by, restoring that trust will make them more money in the long run. I purchased many D&D products before the debacle and 0 so far after it. They don't have to do anything to get the trust back, but if they don't they won't get another penny from me. Instead I've bought A5E products from ENPublishing to continue my 5e experience.

They don't owe me anything to restore trust, but I also don't owe them my money for their products.

 

[mamba]

Why is how the company is run relevant? I'll never understand that.
I'm not saying your point of view is wrong, i'm just trying to understand it.

because I prefer companies to be run in an ethical way that agrees with my values.

If you could buy the same sweater for the same price from one company that uses slave labor and one that pays market prices to their workers and treats them well, is it all the same to you which sweater you buy or would you prefer one manufacturer over the other? If you prefer one, that is why it also is relevant to me, it’s just that the contrast is usually not as stark…

I guess I will never understand why this should not be a factor

 

[Maxperson]

I'm glad to know the threshold is "I condone piracy as long as it's poor quality".

I don't condone it. It's just not really costing the company much of anything. The people who would engage such poor quality stuff are also not generally the type who are going to buy anyway. And many people who do go for the better quality PDFs do so to see if they want to buy the print product or to get a PDF version of the print product they already bought.

Generating ill will(albeit minor) in order to stop not much of anything isn't a great look for a company who has destroyed trust in a major way not to long ago.

 

[jayoungr]

Is anyone having any fun with this game anymore?

Yes, but they're not hanging out in this thread. Maybe not even on this forum.

 

[Maxperson]

And when they create something you don't like you don't buy it.
Why is how the company is run relevant? I'll never understand that.
I'm not saying your point of view is wrong, i'm just trying to understand it.

I'll use an analogy.

If I'm shopping at a local store that I love and have shopped at for a long time and then one day the store owner just walks up to me and punches me in the face, I'm not going to shop at that store anymore. To get me to come back is going to take a lot of work on the part of the store owner to restore my trust. Much more than just trying to sell me more stuff as if nothing has changed.

Now the store owner doesn't have to do anything to earn back that trust, and I don't have the right to expect it to happen, but absent that effort I'm never shopping there again. And whenever I hear of minor transgressions like the store owner yelling at another customer, it's just going to reinforce my feelings not to shop there.

WotC is the store owner. D&D is the store. The OGL debacle is the punch in the face. And I'm never buying another WotC product absent significant efforts from WotC to restore the trust.

 

[KYRON45]

Money is what I contribute to them. They screwed the pooch and if they want to rebuild the trust, they need to go above and beyond.

And by the by, restoring that trust will make them more money in the long run. I purchased many D&D products before the debacle and 0 so far after it. They don't have to do anything to get the trust back, but if they don't they won't get another penny from me. Instead I've bought A5E products from ENPublishing to continue my 5e experience.

They don't owe me anything to restore trust, but I also don't owe them my money for their products.

You don't contribute your money when you buy something. You contribute time or money to a charity.
When you buy something you give them money and they give you a product.
I just don't understand why how they run the company means so much to so many people.
Do i trust WOTC? There is no trust involved in our relationship. They make a book and if i like it i buy it.
I'm obviously on the outside of this topic and that's ok.