D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[Weiley31]

Doesn’t the PC in this scenario have at least partial cover from the guards in the courtyard? The floor can provide cover too, not just walls.

I argue the halfing/gnome rogue wold be able to use the height of pillars, unaware guards, And Bushes to their advantage.

 

[FrogReaver]

So....

Does everyone agree that it should break at the end of your turn without cover? (In addition to attacking and making noise?)

You also lose the condition if you end your turn with no cover and no concealment

There’s a problem there. Invisible condition grants concealment. So that won’t work.

 

[mamba]

There’s a problem there. Invisible condition grants concealment. So that won’t work.

the question wasn’t whether the rules say so, but whether it would make sense if it ended the condition

 

[FrogReaver]

the question wasn’t whether the rules say so, but whether it would make sense if it ended the condition

I don’t think they should because a solution relying on concealment or lack thereof will not work at least without changing the invisible condition, which wasn’t specified.

 

[Epic Meepo]

There’s a problem there. Invisible condition grants concealment. So that won’t work.

Do we know for sure the Invisible condition grants (natural language) concealment?

I shouldn't have to ask a question as ridiculous as what I'm about to type, yet here it is: Does "Concealed" (capitalized) mean the same as "concealed" (not capitalized)? The Invisible condition mentions a "Concealed" (capitalized) effect. I can't tell if "Concealed" is capitalized because it's a section header, because it's a rules keyword, or both. If it's a rules keyword, I'm no longer confident it means what the natural language word "concealment" means.

 

[Argyle King]

So....

Does everyone agree that it should break at the end of your turn without cover? (In addition to attacking and making noise?)

You also lose the condition if you end your turn with no cover and no obscurement

That's tough to say without the game including facing rules.

I can think of a lot of scenarios in which it depends upon what the pieces involved are doing, but most of those scenarios involve things that typically aren't part of the D&D rules.

However, I think that could be a reasonable approach or at least a beginning thought for how to improve what is currently written.

 

[Charlaquin]

I argue the halfing/gnome rogue wold be able to use.the height of pillars, unaware guards, And Bushes to their advantage.

I liked the 2014 lightfoot halfling’s naturally stealthy feature explicitly allowing this. I’ll probably continue to allow it at my own table, but I’ll miss it being a clear in-print rule.

 

[FrogReaver]

Do we know for sure the Invisible condition grants (natural language) concealment?

Do we know for sure the question being asked was about natural language concealment?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Do we know for sure the question being asked was about natural language concealment?

this kind of 'natural reading' lead to the most fun 5e game we had... and many on here told me the rules didn't allow any of it.

 

[Epic Meepo]

Do we know for sure the question being asked was about natural language concealment?

I honestly can't tell anymore. That's how confused I'm getting by this slow trickle of information about the rules.