D&D (2024) D&D 2024 Rules Oddities (Kibbles’ Collected Complaints)

[mamba]

So don’t do it. I can’t stress enough how that simple little fix solves it.

that is not really a fix... if 'simply don't do it' were enough, we would not need laws

 

[Chaosmancer]

I think what you and @Chaosmancer upthread are missing is that dragging people while grappling has been significantly buffed in that you used to only be able to move at half speed while dragging grappled people around. This is no longer the case. This doubles how are you can drag people and causes an already powerful tactic to become broken.

I literally did the math with that exact same assumption.

 

[Chaosmancer]

To me it seems obvious that a public playtest is more effective when it sees everything rather than early versions of some stuff that then gets changed later based on some internal decisions and nothing at all for some others

Sure, and to me, it seems obvious that a a public playtest is much slower and less reactive than an internal playtest. We took, what? A year and half with just the materials that we had, which was only 9 documents? Many of which were doubled in size or more to fit all the material in them?

Sure, they could have attempted to publicly playtest EVERYTHING, but between the size of the document to review, and the idea of getting feedback only once a month? We'd be getting these books in 2028 or later.

we do not need to see every internal version, but we should see everything that may be considered final by WotC.

To me that is the point of having a playtest. If I only see early versions of 50% of the changes and those get changed further by WotC without asking for additional feedback, then what is the point? Sounds like I might as well not bother participating

Then don't participate next time. I never participated with the idea that WoTC would never produce anything that we didn't get to see the final version of. That has never been how the Unearthed Arcana process works for the past decade.

 

[mamba]

Sure, and to me, it seems obvious that a a public playtest is much slower and less reactive than an internal playtest.

I absolutely agree, that is why they should not show us every iteration, it is no reason to only show us early iterations however

Sure, they could have attempted to publicly playtest EVERYTHING, but between the size of the document to review, and the idea of getting feedback only once a month? We'd be getting these books in 2028 or later.

maybe they simply should have started sooner then

Then don't participate next time.

I already decided that I won't, because the way it was conducted was so horrible. That I now learn that they did not even bother including half the stuff is 'only' the icing on the cake

I never participated with the idea that WoTC would never produce anything that we didn't get to see the final version of. That has never been how the Unearthed Arcana process works for the past decade.

and there obviously is no hope that WotC ever improves on their approach...

 

[Maxperson]

I would just like to point out that this grappling at full speed thing requires the Grappler feat. It’s not something everyone can do.

And good luck dragging someone along the ground while high up on a horse. If a player tried that in my game, he'd be off his horse in a jiffy.

 

[Maxperson]

Then I propose another fix to wall of force:
it's now a reaction spell, you can cast when being attacked, subjected to a spell, AoE or on a path of charging creature or monsters. It produces wall that stops it dead but disappears soon after.

You planning on dropping that to level 2? Stopping a charge isn't worth anything higher than that.

 

[mellored]

No? You can cast longstrider on yourself before fight, it lasts 10 minutes. Wood Elf gets it for free once. Open Hand Monk can Dash and Flurry in the same bonus action.

Fair.
But if your open hand, you don't have the elemental's flying.

And you don't eve need an ally to abuse it - you can run 100 feet up the wall, drop the grappled target, make them take 10d6 bludgeoning, no save, then run back and likely grapple them again, if they're still alive.

How do you carry a 100' wall around with you?
Also 10d6 (35) is worse than just punching for 5d12+35 (67.5).
And they do get saves. Though multiple attempts with 24 Dex should land the majority of the time.

2014 bard on their pegasus has been drop enemies for 20d6 (70) since level 10. No wall needed. They can also just fly around mocking ground units to death.

Not sure which one would have the higher grapple rate...

 

[mellored]

And good luck dragging someone along the ground while high up on a horse. If a player tried that in my game, he'd be off his horse in a jiffy.

Dragging people while on horseback is a very classic action move.

 

[Lanefan]

I think there’s a question of what exactly one wants the narrative of Wall of Force to be.

Is the Wizard conjuring an esoteric break in the laws of physics in a limited area? Or is the wall a manifestation of the caster’s will? (“You shall not pass”)

To me the wall is a conjured physical thing similar to an utterly indestructible pane of glass.

 

[Lanefan]

And good luck dragging someone along the ground while high up on a horse. If a player tried that in my game, he'd be off his horse in a jiffy.

Nothing a good lasso can't solve...