WotC D&D Hiring New Game Designer Months After Firing Many

The job pays from $86-145k and is for an experienced game designer—presumably much like one of those they let go a few months ago!

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Notably, one of those let go in December in Hasbro’s company-wide cost-cutting cull of over 1,000 jobs was D&D designer Dan Dillon. Dillon posted on Twitter—“Well. There it is. D&D is hiring a game designer, 8 months later. Was it worth it, you soulless f*****g cowards? Did you save enough money?”

 

[TiQuinn]

agreed, the upside would be that the profit would no longer be drained by OldHasbro to keep it alive and could instead be used to boost WotC

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To go back to the original statement of “Will WotC ever be independent again”, I wonder if people sometimes think of WotC as some sort of corporate Rapunzel that just needs to be rescued from its tower and will go back to being the good regent of the land if only it were freed from the clutches of evil Hasbro.

 

[Nikosandros]

To go back to the original statement of “Will WotC ever be independent again”, I wonder if people sometimes think of WotC as some sort of corporate Rapunzel that just needs to be rescued from its tower and will go back to being the good regent of the land if only it were freed from the clutches of evil Hasbro.

If only the company could be in the hands of a game designer. That worked very well in the past, right?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

To go back to the original statement of “Will WotC ever be independent again”, I wonder if people sometimes think of WotC as some sort of corporate Rapunzel that just needs to be rescued from its tower and will go back to being the good regent of the land if only it were freed from the clutches of evil Hasbro.

I think that sometimes, we now suffer from the curse of knowing (and wanting to know) too much about the business side of the things we enjoy; whether it's D&D, or Hollywood movies, or the salary cap of a sports team.

Imagine the discourse if we had this level of knowledge (and the ability to talk about it as we do on the internet) back when TSR was in charge. You heard the podcast ....

Back then, the vast majority of gamers were just happy to see books.


ETA- ninja'd by @Nikosandros ... weirdly, he wrote fewer words!

 

[TiQuinn]

I think that sometimes, we now suffer from the curse of knowing (and wanting to know) too much about the business side of the things we enjoy; whether it's D&D, or Hollywood movies, or the salary cap of a sports team.

Imagine the discourse if we had this level of knowledge (and the ability to talk about it as we do on the internet) back when TSR was in charge. You heard the podcast ....

Back then, the vast majority of gamers were just happy to see books.


ETA- ninja'd by @Nikosandros ... weirdly, he wrote fewer words!

This is where the grognards have a point.

Support an older version of the game that the corporation doesn’t care about anymore, and all of a sudden what the corporation does with the current game doesn’t matter nearly as much. Unfortunately that runs counter to our need for having the latest and greatest of anything…from phones to cars to D&D.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

This is where the grognards have a point.

DONT ENCOURAGE US!

Look, you whippersnapper with your attack cantrips and your healing hit dice and your feats. Back in the day, I used to walk 10 miles in a snowstorm, uphill, just so that I could play a first level Magic User with 2 hit points. And you know what? I'd get there, and cast my single light spell, and right after that I was killed, KILLED by a kobold with a dull butter knife. And you know what I did then? I'd walk 10 miles back, ALSO UPHILL, in that same snowstorm. That's how I PLAYED REAL D&D, AND I LOVED IT!

 

[bedir than]

Honestly the base pay in this industry is such a difference compared to what Hasbro offers, it makes me wonder if "they," whoever that might be, are lowballing everyone in the WotC department.

I think you've got that backwards.
WotC pays very well.
To earn more you'd have to go to video games (which is what Mearls and Stewart and other did). You don't earn more by going to Paizo or Kobold or Green Ronin, etc

 

[TiQuinn]

DONT ENCOURAGE US!

Look, you whippersnapper with your attack cantrips and your healing hit dice and your feats. Back in the day, I used to walk 10 miles in a snowstorm, uphill, just so that I could play a first level Magic User with 2 hit points. And you know what? I'd get there, and cast my single light spell, and right after that I was killed, KILLED by a kobold with a dull butter knife. And you know what I did then? I'd walk 10 miles back, ALSO UPHILL, in that same snowstorm. That's how I PLAYED REAL D&D, AND I LOVED IT!

You just described my last Shadowdark game.

 

[occam]

But when some of us see the unbased positivity of fanboyism rearing it's ugly head, that Lemmings (Oh no! Splat!) behavior isn't healthy and many just point out the mess WotC made the past 20 years.

So it's no longer possible to discuss the 2024 paladin or the 2024 monk or the College of Dance or Vecna: Eve of Ruin or Greyhawk on these boards without having to retread all of the terrible things that TSR and WotC have ever done? Where should those of us go who used to come here to talk about D&D?

 

[mamba]

This is where the grognards have a point.

Support an older version of the game that the corporation doesn’t care about anymore, and all of a sudden what the corporation does with the current game doesn’t matter nearly as much. Unfortunately that runs counter to our need for having the latest and greatest of anything…from phones to cars to D&D.

or jump ship to some other TTRPG, all others are small in comparison and generally are more about what the designer / team wants than the pure profit motivation of Hasbro / WotC. Who knows, you might even find some that better fit your interest than the one-size-fits-all-but-not-quite approach of D&D

 

[mamba]

So it's no longer possible to discuss the 2024 paladin or the 2024 monk or the College of Dance or Vecna: Eve of Ruin or Greyhawk on these boards without having to retread all of the terrible things that TSR and WotC have ever done? Where should those of us go who used to come here to talk about D&D?

you can, those threads might have the occasional WotC-complaint post, the frequency is much higher in WotC threads than D&D threads