D&D (2024) Greatweapon fighting style? Is this another joke? Did everyone at WotC failed elementary school math classes?

[Horwath]

Now, we all know that GWF style was THE weakest in 2014, but not they made it even worse.
That really takes effort.

We know that they didn't test anything really, we have the awful:

D&D (2024) - Conjure Minor Elementals

I don't get how you can be working on this 5.5 edition for 2 years and create a spell this OP. If you gave one person the job to handle spells, is it crazy to think you could tweak every spell in the game and have time to spare? You could consult on every spell with each head of creation of X...

www.enworld.org

Conjure elemental cheese factory going on,

before GWF did +1,33 damage boost on greatsword(7->8,333) and +0,833 on greataxe(6,5->7,333).

But now with the mechanics of treating damage rolls of 1&2 as 3, it will give:
Greatsword: +1 damage, 7->8
Greataxe: +0,25 damage. 6,5->6,75


I really do not see those 1st level fighters lining up to take this fighting style...

can we get a ripoff from Dueling style and just add +3 damage with all melee 2Handed weapon attacks? Maybe +4 for Heavy 2Handed melee attacks?

Edit:
I have found one case where this FS is better than 2014, I'm sure they didn't mean to take that into account but I will take anything I can get from it:

https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/59-double-bladed-scimitar

2014 damage: 6 + 3(bonus attack)
2024 damage: 6,5 + 3,25(bonus attack)
Enjoy the buff!
Technically, it also buffs Bonus attack from PAM, heheh.

 

[Xeviat]

Since the GWM is about damage reliability and not a straight damage boost, I'm considering having it be "damage advantage" with two-handed weapons.

Savage Attacker also still sucks and needs a change.

 

[Quartz]

Technically, it also buffs Bonus attack from PAM, heheh.

You get a better bonus from 5E Duelling if you use a spear one-handed.

 

[mellored]

It applies to ALL damage rolls.

Including hunters mark, battlemaster dice, Conjure Minor Elemental, magic items, ect...

 

[Mistwell]

Yes. It's both easier and faster at a table now. But it's weaker, and was weak to begin with. I wouldn't take this.

The only way I see to make it work is 1) lots of attacks, and 2) lots of dice added to the damage you do with those attacks. The more dice you're throwing for damage, the more often it triggers. That's really the only way to get it to even work close to how Dueling works out the gate.

 

[Daztur]

It applies to ALL damage rolls.

Including hunters mark, battlemaster dice, Conjure Minor Elemental, magic items, ect...

So, it can be good if you cheese it but it's bad if you use it in the basic way that's most obvious to a newbie?

Gets PTSD flashbacks to Ivory Tower Game Design, the second-dumbest thing ever written by a WotC D&D dev

 

[Horwath]

It applies to ALL damage rolls.

Including hunters mark,

suboptimal build, limited effect on it.

battlemaster dice,

I would rather take Tasha's extra damage die and extra maneuver.
that is +4,5 damage extra and extra effect per short rest and extra versatility
with 4d8 you start, GWF will add +1,5 damage without any utility.

Conjure Minor Elemental,

waiting for hotfix of that spell ASAP

magic items, ect...

Yeah, if you do get +damage die items istead of +X fixed damage, still trivial benefit.

 

[Minigiant]

They weren't trying to make it good they were trying to make it easy.

GWF is chained by backwards compatibility to the original design of having the base fighter be extremely simple.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

They weren't trying to make it good they were trying to make it easy.

GWF is chained by backwards compatibility to the original design of having the base fighter be extremely simple.

Giving it a flat damage bonus like duellist would have been even simpler, would have been more coherent design, and would have allowed making it not to suck.

 

[Minigiant]

Giving it a flat damage bonus like duellist would have been even simpler, would have been more coherent design, and would have allowed making it not to suck.

But then there'd 2 styles with flat damage.

It's clear the priorities in order were

1. Simplicity
2. Uniqueness
3. Balance