It was 2e that changed it.
D&D General Greyhawk Humanocentricism?
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It was 2e that changed it.
Zeromaru X
Arkhosian scholar and coffee lover
Oh, I can be very unreasonable, sir. However, this specific conversation is old (as old as 4e, in my experience, but I know is older than that for many people), so I've learned to understand why people want to preserve the original flavor of their favorite setting, while also knowning settings should be open for newcomers. Specially is said setting is intended to be the default starting setting for new DMs.
Zeromaru X
Arkhosian scholar and coffee lover
I don't know why, but I can take a guess. They may have thought that grouping them into similarly themed groups was more intuitive (physical stats followed by mental ones).
By the way, I know I've written appreciations of Zeb Cook before, and while I am a stalwart believer that 1e > 2e, I do love me some Zeb Cook! The guy was a brilliant designer, and he had moxie.
In February of 1987, Dragon Magazine published a short, yet insanely controversial, article by Zeb Cook- Who Dies? In two short pages, Zeb did his best to anger pretty much every single person currently playing D&D. Good times!
The basic gist was this- My name is Zeb. I'm designing 2e. And I'm going to be changing and killing off a bunch of those classes you like. Because books have limited space. And because I can. How you like dem apples?
Look, we live in different times now. But I love the sheer chutzpah behind that. It was both deadly serious (it really previewed a bunch of the 2e changes) and was also a proto-troll. Chef's kiss.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
I thought it was 3e. It must be because I played 1e so long I cored that order.
MGibster
Legend
I want the original flavor too. It's why I'm so angry at McDonald's for making the chicken nuggets out of all white meat chicken instead of the dark meat slurry of my childhood. Personally, I think WotC is doing a great job preserving the original flavor of Greyhawk while allowing more recent elements of D&D to be added. Greyhawk is like a gumbo, and you can put almost anything into a gumbo and call it a gumbo. But we all agree quinoa doesn't belong in a gumbo. That was my subtle metaphor about warforged in Greyhawk.
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MGibster
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I'm pretty sure this board has rules against such filth!Zucchini and Quinoa Cajun Stew (aka Vegan Gumbo without Okra)
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Emerikol
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I agree. Where are the moderators when we need them??
Zeromaru X
Arkhosian scholar and coffee lover
I don't see a difference between golems and warforged, save that the warforged is sentient, but there are sentient magic items in Greyhawk too.
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