D&D General Greyhawk Humanocentricism?

[AdmundfortGeographer]

Aasimar have no organic way in like Tieflings. There's no celestial equivalent of Iuz. They're kinda human so would be next tier down imho. Tieflings are ahead of them.

I can understand your position, but I think you’re narrowing creative options. For instance, in the Greyhawk cosmology lore, demigods can travel the world but higher tiers of divinity are supposedly locked out. This is Iuz’s in for being present and out for conquest. But other demigods could be making appearances as well just not raising empires of conquest.

Additionally, I kinda felt that Greyhawk is practically lousy with ascending hero gods and quasi gods. I could imagine associations with those lower-tier divinities resulting in celestial-ness being spread around. Maybe hero deities and quasi deities end up as celestial warlock patrons, and those celestial warlocks end up with aasimar kids? Low numbers, sure, but an origin excuse connected with existing lore.

 

[Zardnaar]

I can understand your position, but I think you’re narrowing creative options. For instance, in the Greyhawk cosmology lore, demigods can travel the world but higher tiers of divinity are supposedly locked out. This is Iuz’s in for being present and out for conquest. But other demigods could be making appearances as well just not raising empires of conquest.

Additionally, I kinda felt that Greyhawk is practically lousy with ascending hero gods and quasi gods. I could imagine associations with those lower-tier divinities resulting in celestial-ness being spread around. Maybe hero deities and quasi deities end up as celestial warlock patrons, and those celestial warlocks end up with aasimar kids? Low numbers, sure, but an origin excuse connected with existing lore.

I think you can fit in an Aasimar just Tieflings more organic. Lizardfolk tie in via Saltmarsh, Genasi ToEE, Tieflings Iuz.

If you care about humanocentric the human spin offs make a bit more sense to add as well. That's Aasimar, Half Vampires things like that. Getting a bit further away from Humanocentric you have the traditional humanoids. They fit organically without having to jump through hoops. Gith also descend from human stock.

If you don't care about Humanocentric and you're the DM do whatever. I'm just looking at it from what's already there or makes sense to add organically or via Humanocentric (eg near humans).

You could ditch humanocentric it's not a requirement but then it's not really any different from FR except geographic and deities. If that's what you want go for it.

I prefer scalpel over axe for adding new stuff. Genasi would fit darksun for example along with barbarian class.

I wouldn't turn my nose up at a DM ditching Greyhawk humanocentric. I'm not a GH purist and skipped the 2E stuff.

 

[pemerton]

Aasimar/Devas make more sense to me, in GH, than Githyanki and Githzerai. The latter are other-planar, and have no particular reason to be hanging out in the Free City. Whereas the former, as @AdmundfortGeographer posted, are friends/kids/whatever of all the Quasi-Deities, Hero-Deities and the like running around.

 

[Zeromaru X]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I've seen a lot more out of curated worlds than that.

I'm just venting here. The truth is that reading these topics is allowing me to learn the other side of old school D&D I hadn't experienced before.

 

[Zeromaru X]

But other demigods could be making appearances as well just not raising empires of conquest.

This is something I was wondering, to be honest. Given the focus of the setting on how good is balance and all that, why those damned neutrals haven't created a kingdom of good demigods to oppose Iuz?

 

[Hussar]

Heh. Way, way back in the day there was a Dragon article for playing a child of Kord. Aasimar have been part of Greyhawk since very early days.

 

[Pauln6]

More important than all of this (to me) is why, in this age of revisionism, is Kermin Mindbender repeatedly statted as a wizard? Phenomenal mental abilities. Power to mind blast. Scours the countryside looking for innate talent. Come on guys! Or am I the crazy one?

 

[Voadam]

More important than all of this (to me) is why, in this age of revisionism, is Kermin Mindbender repeatedly statted as a wizard? Phenomenal mental abilities. Power to mind blast. Scours the countryside looking for innate talent. Come on guys! Or am I the crazy one?

Who?

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

Who?

Kermin Mindebender is an epic NPC, an underling of Iuz whose talents Iuz uses to run his empire. Kermin was introduced in From the Ashes era and mostly detailed in Iuz the Evil.

As an aside, Kermin payed a major role in the Iuz meta-region’s ending plot at the ending of Living Greyhawk. He had a goal of betraying Iuz and taking over the empire by causing Iuz to ascend from Demigod-hood, which would cause Iuz to be locked out of the Material Plane. I forget what the consensus result was but I honestly love the idea that I intend to lift it for my campaign.

 

[Pauln6]

Kermin Mindebender is an epic NPC, an underling of Iuz whose talents Iuz uses to run his empire. Kermin was introduced in From the Ashes era and mostly detailed in Iuz the Evil.

As an aside, Kermin payed a major role in the Iuz meta-region’s ending plot at the ending of Living Greyhawk. He had a goal of betraying Iuz and taking over the empire by causing Iuz to ascend from Demigod-hood, which would cause Iuz to be locked out of the Material Plane. I forget what the consensus result was but I honestly love the idea that I intend to lift it for my campaign.

We are moving towards the end game after 34 years, sort of accidentally merging the plots with Iuz, Vecna, Kyuss, the Earth Dragon, Acererak, Yolande, and Tharizdun are all trying to gather up enough energy to ascend or alter reality. The PCs are sort of meandering through the various plots and counter plots. We are currently working through the final modules dealing with the Liberation of Geoff and the Shield Mage's spell pool, with the final few Age of Worms coming after.

Our PCs are now 17th level, high enough to interact with the Boneheart. I must go back and take another look. They were all human though right? Except for one cambion?