Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[Ryujin]

I would think it would be the fourth

Copyright trolls tend to be lawyers. I'd say that they're betraying their pact under the law, but I'd also buy 4th.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

We should probably let @Snarf Zagyg weigh in on the legality here. But if he is displaying a warrant and asks "Can I come in" and you continue to say "no", I believe that would result in you being arrested (now as a vampire who still hasn't been given permission to enter the home, he may be unable to conduct the arrest himself if you aren't in arms reach). And I think saying 'yes' to 'may I come in' would qualify as an invitation

Okay, the problem here is that we are talking about fictional rules. Let me give you an example-
Can anyone in the residence allow the vampire in? A roommate? A guest?

Do legal rights matter at all? If a vampire was a real estate developer (not a stretch!) and they bought your home, could they let themselves in as the rightful legal owner? Or, if the vampire had a first lien mortgage on the property ... etc.

The reason all this matter is ... well, if it's just the presence in a building (your guest can let them in), then legalities don't matter, right? Anyone who is inside of the building can let them in. Technically, a vampire can ask someone to go into your property, and invite them in.

Now, with all that aside. To get a search warrant, you have to present probable cause to an neutral and detached decision maker (a judge or magistrate). If they agree that there is PC, they sign it, which authorizes the officers to search a place (premises, etc.).

Most warrants are "knock and announce," which means that the LEO must wait before entering after announcing their presence- but they can enter if there is a refusal, or if it's taking "too much time" (which can be seconds). In some circumstances, a "no knock" warrant can issue.

So a warrant provides legal authority (an invitation) from a person allowed to do so (a magistrate or judge) to enter the premises. If I was an advisor on a TV show or movie, I'd allow the vampire to enter if they have a warrant.

But it's all made up, so any answer works I guess.

 

[Ryujin]

Okay, the problem here is that we are talking about fictional rules. Let me give you an example-
Can anyone in the residence allow the vampire in? A roommate? A guest?

Do legal rights matter at all? If a vampire was a real estate developer (not a stretch!) and they bought your home, could they let themselves in as the rightful legal owner? Or, if the vampire had a first lien mortgage on the property ... etc.

The reason all this matter is ... well, if it's just the presence in a building (your guest can let them in), then legalities don't matter, right? Anyone who is inside of the building can let them in. Technically, a vampire can ask someone to go into your property, and invite them in.

Now, with all that aside. To get a search warrant, you have to present probable cause to an neutral and detached decision maker (a judge or magistrate). If they agree that there is PC, they sign it, which authorizes the officers to search a place (premises, etc.).

Most warrants are "knock and announce," which means that the LEO must wait before entering after announcing their presence- but they can enter if there is a refusal, or if it's taking "too much time" (which can be seconds). In some circumstances, a "no knock" warrant can issue.

So a warrant provides legal authority (an invitation) from a person allowed to do so (a magistrate or judge) to enter the premises. If I was an advisor on a TV show or movie, I'd allow the vampire to enter if they have a warrant.

But it's all made up, so any answer works I guess.

 

[Staffan]

Most warrants are "knock and announce," which means that the LEO must wait before entering after announcing their presence- but they can enter if there is a refusal, or if it's taking "too much time" (which can be seconds). In some circumstances, a "no knock" warrant can issue.

So a warrant provides legal authority (an invitation) from a person allowed to do so (a magistrate or judge) to enter the premises. If I was an advisor on a TV show or movie, I'd allow the vampire to enter if they have a warrant.

But it's all made up, so any answer works I guess.

My preference would be more metaphysically aligned: the vampire must be invited by a human/mortal that genuinely lives in the home. It's magic, not law. But it's not like I'd cry out against a story that did it your way.

 

[payn]

Does Samsung make anything that isnt a TV that is not a total piece of garbage? My washer just exploded (common for Samsung units).

Im going Speed Queen now. Ill be dead and it will still be washing clothes.

 

[JEB]

If a vampire was a real estate developer (not a stretch!) and they bought your home, could they let themselves in as the rightful legal owner?

IIRC in at least one version of Ravenloft, Strahd could enter any home in Barovia at will because he was the lawful lord (and not just darklord).

EDIT: Semi-confirmed, that was the case in 2e's Domains of Dread, page 62. Though it's apparently because he's so bound to the land of Barovia, not a legal right. Alas.

 

[RealAlHazred]

Does Samsung make anything that isnt a TV that is not a total piece of garbage? My washer just exploded (common for Samsung units).

Im going Speed Queen now. Ill be dead and it will still be washing clothes.

I have a Samsung washer and my wife and I have Samsung Galaxy phones. Never had an issue, but it's not the first story I've heard of Samsung washers exploding...

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Yeah, I am guessing that the entries of Vampires is more about the needs of the particular fiction than either real well-developed rules, or any thought about the legal regime regarding either real property or the 4th Amendment requirements for a warrant.

 

[TiQuinn]

Does Samsung make anything that isnt a TV that is not a total piece of garbage? My washer just exploded (common for Samsung units).

Im going Speed Queen now. I’ll be dead and it will still be washing clothes.

We have a Samsung washer and dryer and within the first year it needed a new knob and the start button needed to be replaced. But after that its stayed steady for the next 10 years. Every appliance now is a crapshoot.

 

[payn]

I have a Samsung washer and my wife and I have Samsung Galaxy phones. Never had an issue, but it's not the first story I've heard of Samsung washers exploding...

Im on my third property that had Samsung washer/dryers and nothing but problems every time. I asked the guy at the appliance shop and he said they are made to crap out within 5-8 years and sometimes folks get lucky.

I've managed to get years out of them, but I am so tired of tearing them apart and replacing cheap components. My Samsung TVs work fine and forever.