D&D 5E (2024) The Problem with Healing Powercreep

[FrogReaver]

Indeed. I am not judging anyone's preferences here, but the obfuscation attempts that make the discussion impossible are annoying.

Calling it obfuscation attempts assigns a level of bad faith that I don’t think exists. the discussion is annoying, but misguided logic can be just as annoying as obfuscation attempts and it’s completely benign.

 

[FrogReaver]

Which is weird, because 2 is obviously a subset of 1.

Any resource a character has obviously is also a resource the player makes decisions on.

With 2) a player doesn’t have to fictionally justify the resources expenditure. So not a subset of 1)

They would both be subsets of ‘resources a player can choose to expend’. But they’d be independent circles inside the bigger circle in the venn diagram.

 

[TwoSix]

With 2) a player doesn’t have to fictionally justify the resources expenditure. So not a subset of 1)

They would both be subsets of ‘resources a player can choose to expend’. But they’d be independent circles inside the bigger circle in the venn diagram.

Disagree. It's not that the player doesn't have to fictionally justify them, it's that the fictional justification is already presented by default assumptions.

Action Surge and Fireball are both in Set 1.

 

[Vaalingrade]

A large part of why this argument continues is the continued argument that 2) doesn't even exist and so one cannot have a preference around it (or that having a preference around it is inconsistent or hypocritical because one doesn't share that same preference for things in category 1).

If we can ever get past the existence of 2) we might can actually have a real discussion.

Absolutely no one is saying 2 doesn't exist.

Spell slots are a thing. Daily charges on items are a thing. There used to be others, but only magic gets to do things anymore, but they're still inarguably there.

 

[FrogReaver]

Disagree. It's not that the player doesn't have to fictionally justify them, it's that the fictional justification is already presented by default assumptions.

If the fictional justification is already presented by default assumptions then the player isn’t justifying anything…

 

[TwoSix]

Double Post.

 

[FrogReaver]

Absolutely no one is saying 2 doesn't exist.

If it exists then I can have preferences around it.

 

[TwoSix]

If the fictional justification is already presented by default assumptions then the player isn’t justifying anything…

Again, disagree. The player is accepting those default assumptions. They can always reskin (unless the DM/social contracts opposes that).

 

[FrogReaver]

Again, disagree. The player is accepting those default assumptions. They can always reskin (unless the DM/social contracts opposes that).

No idea what you think reskinning has to do with any of this.

 

[FrogReaver]

Again, disagree. The player is accepting those default assumptions.

More to the point.

Accepting default assumptions is not making your own justification.

You’ve still not shown players using 2) need to make any justifications.