D&D General Just sweeping dirty dishes under the rug: D&D, Sexism, and the '70s

[Micah Sweet]

Pre-Hasbro

So we can definitely blame Hasbro for anything we don't like about WotC? Fair enough.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Also for the record I did respond to @Steampunkette's post (there may be more in the post I was hoping to get to but I mentioned her point about it being a business a responded there

 

[MGibster]

What? This isn't true

It's true. Watch some ads for games like Space Marine or even Warhammer 40k itself. They present the Space Marines especially in the most positive light as heroic saviors of humanity. They do the same for Sisters of Battle. The fiction most people see, especially parents, are just shows the Imperium as a bunch of good guys defending humanity.

My understanding is that it has not been made more "Family Friendly" at all, but it has been made more inclusive, which is a significant difference that a certain quality of troll can't or won't see any distinction between.

There's a little overlap between the two. Replacing the topless Daemonette models sculpted by Juan Diaz could be seen as both family friendly and helping with inclusivity. But GW has both made attempts to make their IP a little more family friendly and inclusive over the last few years. When the fiction was created, it was just a thin veneer justifying why your little metal miniatures were trying to murder my little metal miniatures. But since the setting is used for novels and all sorts of other media ventures, they've been dialing back the grimdark for a few years now. They kind of painted themselves into a decidedly non-family friendly atmosphere and are slowly working their way out.

 

[Gradine]

I mean, let's be honest, The Book of Vile Darkness is a terrible supplement even if you ignore all of the extremely atrocious and objectionable narrative content contained within. Like... just the game design stuff is bad. It makes a worthwhile museum piece, perhaps a polemic on how to absolutely not introduce mature themes into your tabletop RPG, but I struggle to see what value it could possibly hold otherwise.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Why did WotC make the latter in the first place? 3e was still WotC.

Is was only 3 years after Hasbro took them over, heads rolled, and since then they have been kept on a much tighter leash.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It's true. Watch some ads for games like Space Marine or even Warhammer 40k itself. They present the Space Marines especially in the most positive light as heroic saviors of humanity. They do the same for Sisters of Battle. The fiction most people see, especially parents, are just shows the Imperium as a bunch of good guys defending humanity.


There's a little overlap between the two. Replacing the topless Daemonette models sculpted by Juan Diaz could be seen as both family friendly and helping with inclusivity. But GW has both made attempts to make their IP a little more family friendly and inclusive over the last few years. When the fiction was created, it was just a thin veneer justifying why your little metal miniatures were trying to murder my little metal miniatures. But since the setting is used for novels and all sorts of other media ventures, they've been dialing back the grimdark for a few years now. They kind of painted themselves into a decidedly non-family friendly atmosphere and are slowly working their way out.

None of that is as bad as changing the names of everything (after decades) so they could protect their IP.

 

[Belen]

I mean, let's be honest, The Book of Vile Darkness is a terrible supplement even if you ignore all of the extremely atrocious and objectionable narrative content contained within. Like... just the game design stuff is bad. It makes a worthwhile museum piece, perhaps a polemic on how to absolutely not introduce mature themes into your tabletop RPG, but I struggle to see what value it could possibly hold otherwise.

Thank you.

I have only seen it used once. The person in question was creepy and I voted with my feet.

 

[Hussar]

I think everyone is being subject to this chill effect, not just white people.

Again, what chill effect? Where is your proof?

 

[MGibster]

I have only seen it used once. The person in question was creepy and I voted with my feet.

Which no doubt he stared at the entire time as you were voting.

 

[soviet]

It's true. Watch some ads for games like Space Marine or even Warhammer 40k itself. They present the Space Marines especially in the most positive light as heroic saviors of humanity. They do the same for Sisters of Battle. The fiction most people see, especially parents, are just shows the Imperium as a bunch of good guys defending humanity.

No. That's the satire going. The grimdark is still there.

There's a little overlap between the two. Replacing the topless Daemonette models sculpted by Juan Diaz could be seen as both family friendly and helping with inclusivity. But GW has both made attempts to make their IP a little more family friendly and inclusive over the last few years. When the fiction was created, it was just a thin veneer justifying why your little metal miniatures were trying to murder my little metal miniatures. But since the setting is used for novels and all sorts of other media ventures, they've been dialing back the grimdark for a few years now. They kind of painted themselves into a decidedly non-family friendly atmosphere and are slowly working their way out.

Not true at all.

They replaced the cheesecake Juan Diaz deamonettes with plastic versions of the original, more alien daemonettes from the realm of chaos days. They've returned things to their RT versions quite a few times when they've made things plastic. One of the Daemonette HQs released maybe 4 years ago is playing a guy's innards like a harp.