D&D General Drow & Orcs Removed from the Monster Manual

[Hussar]

It is funny. In the past ten years the industry has absolutely exploded and expanded. To a degree unheard of previously.

And most of that expansion came from groups that previously had never participated in rpg gaming.

While correlation is not causation, it’s not really too much of a stretch to think by making gaming more welcoming to more people, more people have wanted to get into gaming.

It’s really not hard.

 

[pemerton]

It is funny. In the past ten years the industry has absolutely exploded and expanded. To a degree unheard of previously.

And most of that expansion came from groups that previously had never participated in rpg gaming.

While correlation is not causation, it’s not really too much of a stretch to think by making gaming more welcoming to more people, more people have wanted to get into gaming.

It’s really not hard.

Upthread someone - I think @Sepulchrave II - posted that their RPGing is not especially progressive. I would think of my own RPGing as being moderately sophisticated in a technical sense (I incorporate approaches and techniques that post-date the mid-1980s); but as far as themes and tropes go, it's nothing very special.

That said, even RPGs that are designed to appeal to someone like me - eg Burning Wheel - have changed in small ways over the past couple of decades, reflecting different ways of trying to engage with a semi-historical approach to fantasy mediaevalism.

And given that WotC is trying to grow its market to include people who weren't already engaging with the standard fantasy themes and tropes, why wouldn't it change the nature of what it publishes?

 

[Remathilis]

we should spend less energy sifting for problematic language, and more energy focused on having flavorful content.

I can see how political correctness has robbed us of the next Orcs of Thar. Truly the game is poorer for it.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I can see how political correctness has robbed us of the next Orcs of Thar. Truly the game is poorer for it.

Vaults of Pandius along with our fellow Italian hobbyists are doing just fine without WotC's meddling.

 

[Remathilis]

Vaults of Pandius along with our fellow Italian hobbyists are doing just fine without WotC's meddling.

Has Pandius actually tried to adjust the Mongolian and First Nation orcs, do they just ignore them, or have they embraced the racist tropes in that book?

 

[ezo]

Vaults of Pandius along with our fellow Italian hobbyists are doing just fine without WotC's meddling.

But... but... but... how CAN this be possible!?!?

They use AI for artwork... after all. ;-)

For that alone they should be... well, I don't know... something bad. (j/k)

 

[Remathilis]

But... but... but... how CAN this be possible!?!?

They use AI for artwork... after all. ;-)

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For that alone they should be... well, I don't know... something bad. (j/k)

If WotC put that picture in any book, they would be crucified for it.

 

[AnotherGuy]

Has Pandius actually tried to adjust the Mongolian and First Nation orcs, do they just ignore them, or have they embraced the racist tropes in that book?

Pandius is a repository of ideas fleshed out for the setting and in particular exploring areas not covered by the Gazetteers as well as the setting's future. There is no revision.
You may have an alternate Duke Stefan Karameikos who is imagined as evil, but by and large the published material (Gazetteers, Hollow World and Red Curse/Savage Coast) and the articles of the Ark in one of the magazines (forget which) are gospel. Contributors add maps, discuss linguistics, flesh out history and timelines, provides education centres and trade routes...etc

The focus is to celebrate the richness of the setting.
I think it is predominantly supported/maintained by a European fanbase with a few fans in US and Asia.

 

[Remathilis]

Pandius is a repository of ideas fleshed out for the setting and in particular exploring areas not covered by the Gazetteers as well as the setting's future. There is no revision.
You may have an alternate Duke Stefan Karameikos who is imagined as evil, but by and large the published material (Gazetteers, Hollow World and Red Curse/Savage Coast) and the articles of the Ark in one of the magazines (forget which) are gospel. Contributors add maps, discuss linguistics, flesh out history and timelines...etc

The focus is to celebrate the richness of the setting.
I think it is predominantly supported/maintained by a European fanbase with a few fans in US and Asia.

I actually know what the site is. I was a frequenter in the 3e era. You didn't answer my question.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

But do the trains run on time?