D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[KYRON45]

Oh no, there are some here definitely trolling or arguing in bad faith because this topic has been covered ad nauseum since the PHB released.

It just seems like people will tie themselves up in knots to make any given rule mean what they need it to mean....i guess until they don't want it to mean that anymore. This is why i'm not a "rules guy".

 

[Imaro]

What is this "concealed" you speak of? Is it in the Rules Glossary... I don't see it. Maybe it, too, is "concealed"?

Yes it is but not as a separate condition, it's a part of the Invisible condition...

Concealed. You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect’s creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Ahh, the joys of natural language.

Until they write Stealth rules in assembly language, I'll stick with rulings over rules.

 

[FrogReaver]

I feel like hiding is like those dog videos where the puppy thinks its hiding under the blanket, but its tail is sticking out and wagging like a flag in the wind. The dog thinks its hiding, but you know where he is.
Anyone can only ever think they are hiding.
This was a better formed thought in my head.

*Note to self: never pick a character with a tail to be the rogue.

 

[Selas]

Yes it is but not as a separate condition, it's a part of the Invisible condition...

Concealed. You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect’s creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed.

In other words, you can't be targeted by sight unless the enemy has the ability to see you. Again, why are people complicating this? It's not rocket science, unless they just want it spelled out in the book because they are too literal-minded

 

[Imaro]

In other words, you can't be targeted by sight unless the enemy has the ability to see you. Again, why are people complicating this? It's not rocket science, unless they just want it spelled out in the book because they are too literal-minded

Yeah I'm honestly trying to understand the opposing viewpoint in this thread but I'm not getting it... clearly if you cannot be targeted by anything relying on sight... you can't be seen. I'm starting to feel like this is about nitpicking, complaining and pedantry as opposed to whether the rules actually make sense and work when used in the game.

 

[KYRON45]

Yeah I'm honestly trying to understand the opposing viewpoint in this thread but I'm not getting it... clearly if you cannot be targeted by anything relying on sight... you can't be seen. I'm starting to feel like this is about nitpicking, complaining and pedantry as opposed to whether the rules actually make sense and work when used in the game.

I have found that some people want to find ways to work around a rule. In order to do that, you have to have the rule mean what you want it to in order to break it. There will always be people trying to win the game.

 

[ezo]

Concealed. You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect’s creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed.

Which fails to mention you cannot be seen in the first place. They had the wording in the 2014 version, and all would be needed in 2024 is this:

Concealed: You are impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. (followed by Concealed text)

Now it is clear as day: you are impossible to see...

clearly if you cannot be targeted by anything relying on sight... you can't be seen

No... it just means you cannot be a target which relies on sight. That doesn't mean you aren't seen at all, just you canot be a target.

I'm starting to feel like this is about nitpicking, complaining and pedantry as opposed to whether the rules actually make sense and work when used in the game.

Not at all (at least on my part) it is because with the current wording I can have a rogue take the Hide action, and then walk right out from behind cover, still be "Invisible", and sneak attack a creature even though it can SEE me coming.

There will always be people trying to win the game.

Or fix a broken rule. But hey, you don't think it's broken? No problem. Have fun.

 

[KYRON45]

Which fails to mention you cannot be seen in the first place. They had the wording in the 2014 version, and all would be needed in 2024 is this:

Concealed: You are impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. (followed by Concealed text)

Now it is clear as day: you are impossible to see...

If you are hiding behind something and the other guy looks behind that thing.....does he need magic or a special sense to see you?

 

[ezo]

If you are hiding behind something and the other guy looks behind that thing.....does he need magic or a special sense to see you?

Yes, if you are "Invisible" LOL! But, you have a point... Then perhaps that clause needs to be under the Invisible spell instead? Which, SHOCKER!, it isn't... The Invisible condition should not be used for the Hide action. That is another issue with all this.

Regardless, to your question, does he see you??? According to the rule, not unless he uses Search or his Passive Perception beats your Dexterity (Stealth) check -- which at a minimum of 15 is not likely.