General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Paul Farquhar]

How about The Dambusters?

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The trench run was lifted from 633 Squadron.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Which makes the cancellation of Rogue Squadron so baffling

I expect they were frightened of how the fans would react to a Star Wars movie without Jedi, after Solo.

Whatever you do with Star Wars, you are going to get vitriolic fans who will hate it and do real harm to real people.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I expect they were frightened of how the fans would react to a Star Wars movie without Jedi, after Solo.

Whatever you do with Star Wars, you are going to get vitriolic fans who will hate it and do real harm to real people.

Rogue One did quite well without Jedi. So did Andor on the small screen.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Rogue One did quite well without Jedi. So did Andor on the small screen.

Rogue One has a pseudo Jedi, and lots of references to Jedi. The main character has an lightsaber crystal around her neck. And wasn’t universally popular when it came out. And Andor hints that one major character may be a Jedi. And has a space ship with light sabres. It was also cut from five seasons to two.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Rogue One has a pseudo Jedi, and lots of references to Jedi. The main character has an lightsaber crystal around her neck. And wasn’t universally popular when it came out. And Andor hints that one major character may be a Jedi. And has a space ship with light sabres. It was also cut from five seasons to two.

So no references to the Force at all? Seems unlikely.

 

[pukunui]

Rogue One has a pseudo Jedi, and lots of references to Jedi. The main character has an lightsaber crystal around her neck. And wasn’t universally popular when it came out. And Andor hints that one major character may be a Jedi. And has a space ship with light sabres. It was also cut from five seasons to two.

It was cut from five seasons to two partly because Diego Luna didn't want to commit to that long of a series but also because Tony Gilroy didn't think he actually had enough material. Andor Was Originally Pitched As A Five-Season Story, So Why Are We Only Getting Two?

Also, those are continuous-beam lasers on Luthen's ship, not lightsabers. They just look kind of like them because we're used to the energy projectile blasters and stuff in Star Wars.

So no references to the Force at all? Seems unlikely.

I can't recall if anyone mentions the Force in Andor, but it gets talked about numerous times by Chirrut Îmwe in Rogue One. He isn't a Jedi, but he is a follower of the "Church of the Force" or whatever it's called. "I am one with the Force, and the Force is within me." "The Force flows darkly around one who is about to kill." And so on.

 

[trappedslider]

I felt betrayed by Lucasfilm

I think that's how a lot of fans felt when Lucas made more movies

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I can't recall if anyone mentions the Force in Andor, but it gets talked about numerous times by Chirrut Îmwe in Rogue One. He isn't a Jedi, but he is a follower of the "Church of the Force" or whatever it's called. "I am one with the Force, and the Force is within me." "The Force flows darkly around one who is about to kill." And so on.

In other words, he's a wellness influencer.

 

[Zardnaar]

Interesting conversation elsewhere.

Basically it was about star wars games and EU. Early 2000's you had a golden age of Star Wars games. 90s also had a respectable effort.

So if the prequels were underwhelming you had KotOR. Jedi Academy, Empire at War etc to keep you ticking over. And the books and comics.

There's been a handful of Star Wars games since 2015 and only 1 or 2 of Them are particularly well regarded.

New Disney cannon no one seems to care that much outside of the Darth Vader comics. Only the Thrawn novels and maybe Lost Stars are well regarded. Zahn I've never read a bad Star Wars novel from him. Some are better than others.

There's no organic enthusiasm between films to keep interest up. Mandatorily has had 1 season in almost 4 or 5 years.

The supporting ecosystem isn't there to the same extent. Disney has had it 13 years now 1991-2004 comparison......

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Interesting conversation elsewhere.

Basically it was about star wars games and EU. Early 2000's you had a golden age of Star Wars games. 90s also had a respectable effort.

So if the prequels were underwhelming you had KotOR. Jedi Academy, Empire at War etc to keep you ticking over. And the books and comics.

There's been a handful of Star Wars games since 2015 and only 1 or 2 of Them are particularly well regarded.

New Disney cannon no one seems to care that much outside of the Darth Vader comics. Only the Thrawn novels and maybe Lost Stars are well regarded. Zahn I've never read a bad Star Wars novel from him. Some are better than others.

There's no organic enthusiasm between films to keep interest up. Mandatorily has had 1 season in almost 4 or 5 years.

The supporting ecosystem isn't there to the same extent. Disney has had it 13 years now 1991-2004 comparison......

This is all based on a serious misunderstanding of the gaming market.

I don't know if this came up in your discussion elsewhere, but if it didn't, no-one there has any idea what they're talking about.

There's been a really big change since the early 2000s.

Game companies have realized the value of using their own IP, and the severe costs of using other people's IP. That's why Dragon Age and Mass Effect came into being, for example. So that BioWare could avoid licencing D&D (and thus working with PITA WotC) and avoid licencing Star Wars or Star Trek or the like. The cost/benefit analysis stopped working out in favour of licencing IPs.

That's why, in general, you don't see many AAA licenced titles at all. It's not like the '90s or the early '00s, where you saw dozens of them, because the market is different. Also most of those older games were AA, and the AA market is much, much smaller than it once was (and was shrinking and shrinking until fairly recently).

Another really big factor which undermines what you're saying massively is that Disney changed their approach to licencing. One of the big reasons there were so few SW games between like, 2011 and 2021 (I think, I'd need to check those dates) was Disney signed a TEN YEAR licencing contract with EA, so only EA could make Star Wars games (barring some weird sub-IPs licenced separately) in that period. Unfortunately for Disney, this was also when EA realized making stuff based on other people's IPs was less than smart, so they became a lot less keen on making Star Wars stuff. Again, was that mentioned in the discussion elsewhere? Because if not, again, people don't know what they're talking about.

Further, now Disney has opened it up so more companies can SW games, not just EA, but they are apparently using pretty aggressive licencing terms, very much unlike, say, Games Workshop and Warhammer. Games Workshop are almost just happy you're making games with their brands - they tightly monitor them and can be a PITA that way, but they don't want large revenue cuts. Sometimes they don't ask for a revenue cut at all with smaller companies. Disney aren't like that. I don't have any exact figures, because this is all NDA'd stuff, but Disney have apparently been asking for "large" revenue shares from people who want to use the licence. This makes people much less likely to want to make Star Wars games - because it makes it a lot harder to make a profit.

All this airy-fairy stuff about "organic enthusiasm" and so on is kind of meaningless when these three factors are so important.