Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
God, imagine spending years of your professional life rehabilitating "Somehow, the Emperor returned!"
General star wars talk/discussion/complaining
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GrimCo
Hero
Rogue One is in it's essence partisan war movie set in Star Wars universe. Bad guy is the Empire as a system. That's part of what makes Andor also good. Struggle against oppressive regime.
pukunui
Legend
Yes, one of the things I love about Rogue One is how much it reminds me of old WW2 movies like The Guns of Navarone. And Lucas always wanted SW to be WW2 in space (hence space battles with close-up broadsides between capital ships while little fighters go zipping around between them ~ there was even that early Clone Wars episode that was basically a WW2 submarine movie set in space).
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
Which makes the cancellation of Rogue Squadron so baffling. It's the kind of story that Star Wars was, in part, created to tell. If you can't tell that story with that particular director, do more in that same vein.
Heck, just go through the catalog of classic World War II films and see how they look with a Star Wars spin on them. Just off the top of my head, Bridge Over the River Kwai would 100% work and probably be really exciting.
MarkB
Legend
It's a great aesthetic when it's used right. One of my complaints about TLJ was that they did lean in on it too hard, with the Resistance bombers flying over the dreadnaught and dropping bombs on it, and the Supremacy's heavy cannons firing shots that arced upwards to fall down on the Resistance capital ships, in empty space.
GrimCo
Hero
But it has to have iconic whistling tune.
Star Wars universe is great scenery for war movies. Be it big battles, be it commandos behind lines, be it regular people resisting corrupt and oppressive regime. So much opportunity to remove story from Skywalkers, Emperor, jedi & sith conflict and bring it down on the level of ordinary people doing extraordinary things.
Mercurius
Legend
As I said in another thread (or maybe early in this one - I can't remember), I see pretty much everything after the original trilogy as a diminishing of Star Wars. There were ups and downs, but nothing made Star Wars better - and the sum total was a diminishing effect that has really marred the greatness of the original story. It was trying to squeeze yet more juice out of an increasingly dry lemon. IMO. This, as opposed to Star Trek which, despite the expected highs and lows of 60 years of film-making, was able to continually remake itself while still remaining true to the original vision.
I think the primary "error" in everything post-OT is that the OT was, first and foremost, a MYTHIC STORY. It was a heroes journey writ large in an epic universe, populated by very human people who became heroes (or villains). Everything after lost sight of that.
The prequel trilogy became lost in its fascination with effects and world building - with techne (ironic, considering the arc of the central character, Darth Vader). There was some beautiful visuals and set-pieces, but the story and characters were lacking in vitality (not to mention the acting). This is perhaps best exemplified by Darth Vader being reduced to the "I hate you!" moment. .
The recent trilogy not only lacked George Lucas's genius for cinematic worldbuilding, but also lost any sense of mythic vitality, becoming a pale simulacrum of Star Wars mythology. Like Rings of Power, it seemed like high budget fan fiction made by people with no real sense of the original vision and mythology.
Just about everything else felt like unnecessary filler - niche stories without the mythos or heart, the best of which didn't really have to be Star Wars, and whatever they offered in terms of story-telling was obfuscated by trying to be a "Star Wars story." The worst of which felt like a copy of a copy (or fan-fic of fan-fic).
Hey, you said we could complain...
I think the primary "error" in everything post-OT is that the OT was, first and foremost, a MYTHIC STORY. It was a heroes journey writ large in an epic universe, populated by very human people who became heroes (or villains). Everything after lost sight of that.
The prequel trilogy became lost in its fascination with effects and world building - with techne (ironic, considering the arc of the central character, Darth Vader). There was some beautiful visuals and set-pieces, but the story and characters were lacking in vitality (not to mention the acting). This is perhaps best exemplified by Darth Vader being reduced to the "I hate you!" moment. .
The recent trilogy not only lacked George Lucas's genius for cinematic worldbuilding, but also lost any sense of mythic vitality, becoming a pale simulacrum of Star Wars mythology. Like Rings of Power, it seemed like high budget fan fiction made by people with no real sense of the original vision and mythology.
Just about everything else felt like unnecessary filler - niche stories without the mythos or heart, the best of which didn't really have to be Star Wars, and whatever they offered in terms of story-telling was obfuscated by trying to be a "Star Wars story." The worst of which felt like a copy of a copy (or fan-fic of fan-fic).
Hey, you said we could complain...
chuckdee
Adventurer
But... Boba Fett wasn't Abrams. He was well and truly George Lucas.
Gradine
🏳️⚧️ (she/her) 🇵🇸
Star Wars space physics as always been highly messed up (see my earlier post about the B-Wing, a space ship with a gyroscopic stabilizers to keep the pilot locked to the horizon, in space), and Star Wars has always had bombers who dropped their payload (see: Empire Strikes Back, The for an example). Johnson just picked it up and ran with it.
