General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Belen]

Could have sworn we got a force ghost for luke (though admittedly I am hazy on the details of the third film). I am honestly not sure how this rule in China works. Because I have heard of it, but I have seen plenty of Chinese movies with ghosts in them. Some come up with wonky explanations for them to fit them more in a real world (Rigor Mortis leaps to mind), but I know I have seen others that don't.

They had to change things up. The blue glow had to be down graded etc. It was weird but I can bet that a force ghost as a major plot point would not have flown.

 

[chuckdee]

Its funny you dont even mention Snoke; because why would you? Some how this Snoke was able to turn Ben to the dark side, but also entirely meaningless to the story?

Snoke was a victim of competing director visions.

 

[Deset Gled]

I'm trying to find a way that downplaying Boba Fett is somehow even remotely edgy. One can disagree with it, but not clear how it is edgy. Nor that it somehow doesn't have a point (inasmuch as any of Star Wars over-analysis does). Are you sure you weren't trying to force in that pizza-cutter comparison?

Threads about Star Wars movies includes discussions like story arcs, themes, and literary and visual analysis. In world and real world developments. The discussions about tech and trivia involve extrapolation from limited data, debating minutia, and hunting for details.

This recent bit where people randomly toss out why they think Boba Fett isn't cool? It's simply yucking on someone's yum for the sake of yucking on someone's yum. It didn't originate from anyone talking about something relevant to Boba Fett; he was brought into the discussion for the sole purpose of tearing down a popular character. There was no point in bringing him up except to tell people they shouldn't think he's cool. That's where the pizza cutter comparison comes in.

 

[payn]

Threads about Star Wars movies includes discussions like story arcs, themes, and literary and visual analysis. In world and real world developments. The discussions about tech and trivia involve extrapolation from limited data, debating minutia, and hunting for details.

This recent bit where people randomly toss out why they think Boba Fett isn't cool? It's simply yucking on someone's yum for the sake of yucking on someone's yum. It didn't originate from anyone talking about something relevant to Boba Fett; he was brought into the discussion for the sole purpose of tearing down a popular character. There was no point in bringing him up except to tell people they shouldn't think he's cool. That's where the pizza cutter comparison comes in.

Its a legitimate question I have thought about for decades. I appreciate you bringing up some reasons why Fett is actually cool. However, this thread is a discussion/complaint thread on SW in general, and not a Boba Fett is cool thread in which folks are yucking the yum.

 

[Guest 85555]

Threads about Star Wars movies includes discussions like story arcs, themes, and literary and visual analysis. In world and real world developments. The discussions about tech and trivia involve extrapolation from limited data, debating minutia, and hunting for details.

This recent bit where people randomly toss out why they think Boba Fett isn't cool? It's simply yucking on someone's yum for the sake of yucking on someone's yum. It didn't originate from anyone talking about something relevant to Boba Fett; he was brought into the discussion for the sole purpose of tearing down a popular character. There was no point in bringing him up except to tell people they shouldn't think he's cool. That's where the pizza cutter comparison comes in.

Just to be clear I wasn’t saying he isn’t cool or that I dislike the character. I was saying I didn’t realize he was such a break out character until years later (I didn't even pick on his name, but I noticed in the mid-80s kids in my class knew he was. My other point was that I think his coolness largely boiled down to his aesthetics (which isn't a criticism, especially in a space opera where characterization ought to rely heavily on the physical costuming of the characters). Though another poster mentioned a few other implied things that also contributed (to me that is just good writing and filmaking if you can get people interested in a character with just a handful of techniques like that). In a lot of wuxia you get that, where a character shows up and the characterization boils down to something specific in the appearance (like an expression and the way the eyebrows are done). So you will have characters show up whose sole purpose is to die the moment after meeting the protagonist, yet they are memorable and you feel you know something about them

On the yucking on someone's yum thing. It doesn't bother me if someone dislikes something I like, or dislikes something that is popular. How they express that opinion matters though. I have had people here express a contrary opinion than mine on a movie or book where it goes beyond saying they dislike something, think it isn't cool, to attacking people who feel different (and I think that is out of line in these conversations and quick indication that a person is relying on insults rather than giving a real opinion). I think if you are doing it win a way that belittles the other person''s taste, insults their intelligence, etc, then that is pretty rude. But if someone doesn't like something I do like, I want them to give their honest opinion. I like the Ewoks for example, but I know a lot of people can't stand them. Disagreeing about that and about how good RoTJ is, is entirely fine with me. Even if it is a contrarian opinion. I'm okay with that. I do think if someone is going to say 'that's uncool' or 'that is overated' I would at least them to give their reasons because that goes a bit beyond just their instinctual feeling about the thing (if something is overrated, that means other people are overrating it so I would want to know why the person feels that's the case)

 

[Gradine]

Its funny you dont even mention Snoke; because why would you? Some how this Snoke was able to turn Ben to the dark side, but also entirely meaningless to the story?

I mean, that by itself is enough to make him more than meaningless, but he's also responsible for the force connection between Rey and Kylo Ren, which is a fairly significant part of the story in both TLJ and RoS.

 

[chuckdee]

Threads about Star Wars movies includes discussions like story arcs, themes, and literary and visual analysis. In world and real world developments. The discussions about tech and trivia involve extrapolation from limited data, debating minutia, and hunting for details.

This recent bit where people randomly toss out why they think Boba Fett isn't cool? It's simply yucking on someone's yum for the sake of yucking on someone's yum. It didn't originate from anyone talking about something relevant to Boba Fett; he was brought into the discussion for the sole purpose of tearing down a popular character. There was no point in bringing him up except to tell people they shouldn't think he's cool. That's where the pizza cutter comparison comes in.

That wasn't the intent. The intent was to find out what story wise had been done to create the air of mystery and coolness that surrounded him, and whether that was done by the media and writers, or by zeitgeist. It doesn't matter if someone thinks he's cool or not- I personally do. But I admit it wasn't because of anything that was shown.

 

[Zardnaar]

Tarkin became iconic. Hux didn't. Vader iconic. Snoke the joke.

Peopke mock Dark Empire now but it was a massive hit at the time. Very early EU revival 1991. They brought back fett and the Emperor. They did explain it "onscreen" so to speak.

Author got invited back to do Tales of the Jedi which lead to KotoR and parts of it brought back in new cannon.

 

[MGibster]

If you think an ignoble death erases coolness in life, I've got some bad news for you about Captain Kirk, Goose, and Elvis.

One of those things ain't like the other. Goose's death wasn't embarrassing.

Tarkin became iconic. Hux didn't. Vader iconic. Snoke the joke.

That's a good point. Even in the prequel trilogy, Darth Maul managed to become an iconic character despite having few lines and dying (allegedly) at the end. Even Grievous and Dooku were pretty cool. Other than Kylo? What original villain do we have to hiss at in the sequel?

 

[Zardnaar]

One of those things ain't like the other. Goose's death wasn't embarrassing.

That's a good point. Even in the prequel trilogy, Darth Maul managed to become an iconic character despite having few lines and dying (allegedly) at the end. Even Grievous and Dooku were pretty cool. Other than Kylo? What original villain do we have to hiss at in the sequel?

None. Hux was great in TFA.