General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[payn]

If there is one space the new trilogy fumbled it was great villains. First film had two very intriguing possibilities with Kylo and Hux, and Phasma would have been a cool subvillain. But it dropped the ball with all of them. For me these are two key things that make the new trilogy not work and make it so much less than the original trilogy: not being a functioning trilogy and not having solid villains

Its funny you dont even mention Snoke; because why would you? Some how this Snoke was able to turn Ben to the dark side, but also entirely meaningless to the story?

 

[Belen]

Its funny you dont even mention Snoke; because why would you? Some how this Snoke was able to turn Ben to the dark side, but also entirely meaningless to the story?

Well, the implication is that Snoke was just a meatbag for Palpatine's spirit...

The sequel trilogy had some ok concepts but the execution was bad. My kids refuse to watch it anymore while they will not turn down the OT or PT.

 

[Guest 85555]

Its funny you dont even mention Snoke; because why would you? Some how this Snoke was able to turn Ben to the dark side, but also entirely meaningless to the story?

Well, the implication is that Snoke was just a meatbag for Palpatine's spirit...

The sequel trilogy had some ok concepts but the execution was bad. My kids refuse to watch it anymore while they will not turn down the OT or PT.

Snoke was just bad. Meat bags don't make good villains. Palpatine was an awful villain the second time around. They established two very solid villains in the first movie. Then they ruined them both. Snoke could have been compelling if they hadn't gone the weird leisure suit direction with him, and then just off'd him. Part of the issue is there was no real villain who felt imposing by the second movie. You didn't have a Vader or Palpatine (and even when Palpatine showed up, you didn't really have a palpatine------I don't know what that was, but it wasn't the terrifying figure in the first trilogy, it felt like the climax to a video game, not a space opera)

 

[payn]

Snoke was just bad. Meat bags don't make good villains. Palpatine was an awful villain the second time around. They established two very solid villains in the first movie. Then they ruined them both. Snoke could have been compelling if they hadn't gone the weird leisure suit direction with him, and then just off'd him. Part of the issue is there was no real villain who felt imposing by the second movie. You didn't have a Vader or Palpatine (and even when Palpatine showed up, you didn't really have a palpatine------I don't know what that was, but it wasn't the terrifying figure in the first trilogy, it felt like the climax to a video game, not a space opera)

Right, I dont know why they didnt just make Palp a force ghost corrupting Ben so he could revive himself in another body?

 

[Belen]

Snoke was just bad. Meat bags don't make good villains. Palpatine was an awful villain the second time around. They established two very solid villains in the first movie. Then they ruined them both. Snoke could have been compelling if they hadn't gone the weird leisure suit direction with him, and then just off'd him. Part of the issue is there was no real villain who felt imposing by the second movie. You didn't have a Vader or Palpatine (and even when Palpatine showed up, you didn't really have a palpatine------I don't know what that was, but it wasn't the terrifying figure in the first trilogy, it felt like the climax to a video game, not a space opera)

I agree. The First Order was a joke. The ST never explained much about them. You had no sense of proportion. How many systems did they control, how many ships did they have...

The books suggested more as a kind if Disney-fied version of the Imperial Remnant; however, it was just badly done.

I get the sense they they never really worked out the details themselves and just sat around a table and said "let's do this next. It sounds cool."

 

[Micah Sweet]

I agree. The First Order was a joke. The ST never explained much about them. You had no sense of proportion. How many systems did they control, how many ships did they have...

The books suggested more as a kind if Disney-fied version of the Imperial Remnant; however, it was just badly done.

I get the sense they they never really worked out the details themselves and just sat around a table and said "let's do this next. It sounds cool."

The sequel trilogy was very much not about explanations. Spectacle is what mattered to them, and how they got there narratively a distant second, and good worldbuilding not even on the radar IMO.

 

[Guest 85555]

Right, I dont know why they didnt just make Palp a force ghost corrupting Ben so he could revive himself in another body?

I like force ghost much better. The actor who plays palpatine is very good in that role. So it was a missed opportunity to turn him into, what to me at least, felt like a character lost in a blaze of CGI and confusing clone backstory that I couldn't really follow. Evil force ghost would have worked much better (and I think suited the actor's style better too). Part of my issue with that last sequence in the climax is nothing felt real and nothing felt like it was built on solid ground

 

[Belen]

I like force ghost much better. The actor who plays palpatine is very good in that role. So it was a missed opportunity to turn him into, what to me at least, felt like a character lost in a blaze of CGI and confusing clone backstory that I couldn't really follow. Evil force ghost would have worked much better (and I think suited the actor's style better too). Part of my issue with that last sequence in the climax is nothing felt real and nothing felt like it was built on solid ground

No ghosts because of the Chinese market. Disney wanted all that money that never materialized for them.

 

[Guest 85555]

No ghosts because of the Chinese market. Disney wanted all that money that never materialized for them.

Could have sworn we got a force ghost for luke (though admittedly I am hazy on the details of the third film). I am honestly not sure how this rule in China works. Because I have heard of it, but I have seen plenty of Chinese movies with ghosts in them. Some come up with wonky explanations for them to fit them more in a real world (Rigor Mortis leaps to mind), but I know I have seen others that don't.

 

[payn]

No ghosts because of the Chinese market. Disney wanted all that money that never materialized for them.

What is wrong with ghosts?

Could have sworn we got a force ghost for luke (though admittedly I am hazy on the details of the third film). I am honestly not sure how this rule in China works. Because I have heard of it, but I have seen plenty of Chinese movies with ghosts in them. Some come up with wonky explanations for them to fit them more in a real world (Rigor Mortis leaps to mind), but I know I have seen others that don't.

I think it was ghost solo.