Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

[Clint_L]

Isn't it?

No. None of those are remotely the same as a new, small island being formed from volcanic activity, something that humanity has experienced many times.

I mean, what level of metaphysical disruption would be required to make you you give up your current life and routine and change everything?

On a scale of "vulcanism created another tiny, remote island" to "the earth is actually the egg of a planet-sized alien, whose arm now sticks out of it, after a cataclysm that undoubtedly killed millions"? Is that the sliding scale?

Or is it the one where "half of everyone I know plus half of all life everywhere in the universe (BTW, there is life everywhere in the universe) is now dead at the hands of a giant alien/god using magical gems (also magic is real. So are gods)?

Given the disruption caused by, say publishing "Das Kapital" or "On the Origin of Species," I'm going to say that those events would be more disruptive than a new volcanic atoll.

People overuse the idea of "this would change everything." If aliens landed on the lawn of a world leader, obviously it would be a huge news story I would follow, but I'm not going to suddenly quit my job. I'm still going to go play D&D at my friend's house on Thursday. Life goes on.

So...you don't think learning that. say, magic is real might change your perspective in a profound way if you are a scientist? Or learning that the gods of Asgard are real, and now live on earth, might be challenging for religious folks? Or the president of the US also being a brightly coloured agent of chaos might not get some reaction (I mean, the latter...). Or, speaking of "life goes on," "Hey guys, we lost half the group in real life, and sorry about all your loved ones. I'm pretty broken up, too. Anyway, we survivors still on for Saturday's game?"

And actually...yeah I do think we are taking some time to find a new normal in the face of confirmation that aliens are here and are visiting us. Yeah. Maybe some folks persist in their regular activities because they don;t know what else to do, but I rather think a lot of folks are glued to CNN.

What do you think the actual effects on earth's ecosystems and cultures and supply chains,would be if half of everyone just suddenly turned to dust? Not to mention all the additional casualties (picture a highway, for example).

 

[TwoSix]

What do you think the actual effects on earth's ecosystems and cultures and supply chains,would be if half of everyone just suddenly turned to dust? Not to mention all the additional casualties (picture a highway, for example).

The Snap would absolutely be a fascinating thing to explore; I do think the series and movies since then have overly glossed over the profound impact it would cause.

But that's mass death. That is the sort of thing that would cause a profound disruption in life's rhythms, heck, it would cause much more havoc than the movies showed. The other stuff...not so much.

It would cause a cultural disruption and transformation, for sure. But not so much a disruption to our daily routine.

 

[Clint_L]

Okay. I guess we just profoundly disagree about the impact these events would have.

 

[Tonguez]

While I agree it hasnt been done well the MCU has explored the impact of the Blip in quite a few of its offerings. I'd have liked to see far more chaos and political clashes, and the impacts of magic, aliens and advanced tech should be far more chaotic than it has been. But I'm resigned to the fact that the MCU is lite entertainment and we're never gonna to get anything more meaningful and profound than Multiverse of Madness and Hawkeye. Anyway:

1. Avengers: Endgame (2019) – characters grieving the loss of loved ones is shown, there are support groups for those needing counselling, society is struggling
2. WandaVision (2021) – Wanda's post-Blip grief is a major contributor to her insanity. Monica Rambeau’s return from the Blip is shown in a chaotic hospital scene.
3. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (2021) – The Blip’s impact is the central theme as the Global Repatriation Council (GRC) struggles to reintegrate displaced people, while the Flag Smashers view life during the Blip as better.
4. Secret Invasion (2023) – The post-Blip chaos has led to instability, making it easier for Skrulls to infiltrate governments.
5. Hawkeye (2021) – His Ronin persona was how Clint reacted to the Blip. Yelena Belova vanishing and instantly returning shows that those who did disappear are unaware of the time gap.
6. Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019) – though it does so light-heartedly it touches on societal shifts, housing crises and job losses

I would love to have seen more shows set during the Blip - the Ronin story was a neglected opportunity - a whole set of dystopian stories introducing more vigilantes. I'd have loved to see Latveria rise on the remnants of Sokovia ...

 

[nevin]

From an earlier post, I do think Matt mentioned the Sokovia Accords were overturned...either in No Way Home, or in She Hulk (I think it was NWH).

To this point, yeah its been such a long standing problem with the MCU at this point that you either just ignore it and move on, or you drop the MCU. The MCU basically deals with the consequences of its plot when its wants to, and otherwise its completely ignored. The snap has 0 consequences, until we see it from Yelena's point of view or the teacher from No Way Home....but otherwise its just a non-factor unless the plot calls for it to be relevant to a particular scene. (I still think an entire tv show dealing with right after the snap would be an amazing premise, there are so so so many stories to tell in that period of time).

The other big problem is "why didn't they call the avengers?" issue. Now its easier now with few of them left, but there was a time when these world ending plots were coming up....and none of the big guns gets called. Now there could be reasons those guys aren't available....but you would at least make the call. And that part gets hand-waved in the MCU a lot, again you either just assume that happens off camera and they deal with it in some logical way that just takes up too much screen time, you ignore it, or you just drop the stories because its the MCUs modus operandi at this point.

Well even in the c8cs The Avengers don't do street level problems. Individual hero's might but the Avengers stay out of the local scene's. It would be nice to see she hulk or any of the other heros that regularly frequent new York though. Though I suspect all these crooked cops with punisher tattoos are in for a reckoning with their hero at least I hope so.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The Snap would absolutely be a fascinating thing to explore; I do think the series and movies since then have overly glossed over the profound impact it would cause.

But that's mass death. That is the sort of thing that would cause a profound disruption in life's rhythms, heck, it would cause much more havoc than the movies showed. The other stuff...not so much.

It would cause a cultural disruption and transformation, for sure. But not so much a disruption to our daily routine.

The Blip/Snap is such a weird hole to intentionally write yourself into.

Especially if you're then going to basically ignore it. Like, if they'd made it last say 12-18 months, it could probably be reversible. People would still be grieving, people would have new jobs but not be very locked in, people would probably still mostly be living in the same places and so (countless renters among them rent-free due to Blip'd landlords and no real mechanism for fixing that, especially as in many cases inheritance would also be unclear and still probate courts would be effectively jammed up for decades).

But they made it 5 years, and by then, we know from world wars and so on that huge numbers of people would have just moved on. The Blip would be probably survivable (so long as we didn't lose too many nuclear power plant technicians etc.), but the people coming back, like the "hitting the ground" part of the fall would be killer. Those people just didn't exist for 5 years. They want their stuff back - their jobs, their lives, their houses, their cars, their friends, etc. and it wouldn't happen. There'd be absolute chaos for decades. Entire countries would collapse. Revolutions would occur. You could easily do an entire many-seasons-long show about the long-term consequences, and it would make the MCU very, very different as a world, to our own.

But instead it seems like they briefly and lightly engaged with some of this stuff, realized how consequential it would be, and then backed away rapidly, hoping everyone forgot it even happened.

It's such a bad plan to write in these kind of problems. Same with the Eternals - like, why even write that ending? All you're doing is causing huge issues for future writers and making the world more distant and less relatable. I feel like Kevin Feige is probably not the mastermind people regard him as given he allowed both of these plotlines.

 

[Thomas Shey]

It's such a bad plan to write in these kind of problems. Same with the Eternals - like, why even write that ending? All you're doing is causing huge issues for future writers and making the world more distant and less relatable. I feel like Kevin Feige is probably not the mastermind people regard him as given he allowed both of these plotlines.

I think you're seriously overestimating how many people think about it that much (the viewers, I mean) and even among them, how many won't just shrug and move on. The sourceworks have been ignoring the aftereffects of alien invasions and other disruptors for the life of the genre, so why would this be different?

 

[Clint_L]

Just saw episode 4. This series is fantastic, and Jon Bernthal brings it up yet another notch.

 

[Tonguez]

Just saw episode 4. This series is fantastic, and Jon Bernthal brings it up yet another notch.

I liked that the episode was entirely character study, with no need for an obligatory action scene
and Great to see Fisk has still got his dark edge too

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think you're seriously overestimating how many people think about it that much (the viewers, I mean) and even among them, how many won't just shrug and move on. The sourceworks have been ignoring the aftereffects of alien invasions and other disruptors for the life of the genre, so why would this be different?

The issue isn't "how many people will actually care", it's "why write yourself into a bizarre corner in the first place"? Because some part of the audience does care, and even for the part who care less, you've created an issue that can cause a problem, and we can see it has caused problems. It's not a disaster, it's just basically silly/incompetent.

That comicbooks ignore this sort of thing is a part of why supers comics have basically become a hobby for 35-54-year-old men, rather than a big cultural thing that a huge proportion of kids regularly read.