Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

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Assuming - they said absolutely nothing at all about the ownership of the diamond (which itself was interesting), but there's no possibility someone who owns a truly gigantic cut-but-un-set diamond like that and does nothing with it is less than a significant multi-millionaire, so let's not pretend. Also they explicitly say it's worth $1.8m (and that's presumably the black market value - the legit market value would be much higher, possibly as much as 10x higher based on real-world cases). And one simply doesn't acquire massive chonkers of diamonds like that through fully-legit and above-board means ("colonial exploitation" not being "legit" to be clear). It just doesn't happen. Especially not ones you then hide away in a bank vault (it's not even smart as sort of "if things go bad I can sell this" tool - a big chonker like that is far less possible to liquidate than a lot of smaller diamonds and less fungible than gold or the like).

Also, let's be real, they were sent there by a crime boss - the odds are pretty good the diamond belongs to another criminal of some sort (quite possibly the guy they were supposed to getting the money for).

so, it was more of your personal views being projected on to an ambiguous situation.

 

[chuckdee]

Pretty sure you should take the weird blood extraction device OUT of someone BEFORE doing CPR mate. Or at least tourniquet above the device if you're scared to remove it.

He did take it out first. That was what Muse was trying to put back in when he threw the one club then strung him up with the other.

 

[chuckdee]

Yeah, to really explain Inhumans requires getting into a whole lot of backstory and setting business which mutants really don't. They can even ignore the whole Celestial connection if they want to, and just treat it like the early X-Men did.

Also, to really explain Inhumans means having to separate Scott Buck's monstrosity in the head of people that saw it, even though Anson Mount was really good as Black Bolt and really deserves to shine as him.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

so, it was more of your personal views being projected on to an ambiguous situation.

No, not really, as I detailed. If nothing else it's criminals stealing from criminals. There's literally no reason to believe otherwise. The entire episode is morally weird in a way that's antithetical to the rest of Daredevil.

 

[Clint_L]

I loved these episodes, though it really bugged me that Muse quietly escaped while DD was focused on rescuing his victim. You just don't quietly sneak away from DD. Dude has freaking sonar.

Edit: also, it's lazy writing. Such a cliche - the hero is distracted by tending to a victim, and then looks up to see that the awful villain has just vanished. That's on top of it being basically impossible with DD's skill set, unless this version of Muse has mystical abilities or something that we don't know about. It really bugs me that they finished such an otherwise great episode with such a lazy trope.

 

[Eric V]

I loved these episodes, though it really bugged me that Muse quietly escaped while DD was focused on rescuing his victim. You just don't quietly sneak away from DD. Dude has freaking sonar.

Edit: also, it's lazy writing. Such a cliche - the hero is distracted by tending to a victim, and then looks up to see that the awful villain has just vanished. That's on top of it being basically impossible with DD's skill set, unless this version of Muse has mystical abilities or something that we don't know about. It really bugs me that they finished such an otherwise great episode with such a lazy trope.

Yeah. I would have bought it if there was a subway train going by at the moment or something similar.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

No, not really, as I detailed. If nothing else it's criminals stealing from criminals. There's literally no reason to believe otherwise. The entire episode is morally weird in a way that's antithetical to the rest of Daredevil.

I think diverging “common values” are an increasing problem for companies trying to create media for international audiences.

Although valuable jewels always have a dodgy provenance is a trope that goes all the way back to 1868. That's a lot of trope to try and ignore the weight of.

 

[pukunui]

Also they explicitly say it's worth $1.8m (and that's presumably the black market value - the legit market value would be much higher, possibly as much as 10x higher based on real-world cases).

I’ve started watching but haven’t caught up to this episode yet. Does this $1.8 million diamond have anything to do with the meeting between the British guy and the goons where it’s established that one of them owes the other $1.8 million for the truck hijacking? (It’s then established that Vanessa sent the British guy.)

Also, I take it that it took Fisk all of the “one year later” time jump in episode 1 to recover from Echo’s mind whammy and make it back to NYC? The problem with credits scenes is they always seem like they’re supposed to take place immediately after even though they don’t always.

 

[Tonguez]

I’ve started watching but haven’t caught up to this episode yet. Does this $1.8 million diamond have anything to do with the meeting between the British guy and the goons where it’s established that one of them owes the other $1.8 million for the truck hijacking? (It’s then established that Vanessa sent the British guy.)

Also, I take it that it took Fisk all of the “one year later” time jump in episode 1 to recover from Echo’s mind whammy and make it back to NYC? The problem with credits scenes is they always seem like they’re supposed to take place immediately after even though they don’t always.

yeah the Irish Mobster has ordered his guys to steal the diamond because its worth $1.8M- its not explained how he knows its there.

Yeah the Echo mind whammy thing is weird. With Fisk running for mayor it initially looks like he has changed post-Echo and wants to do better. Of course Matt doesn't believe it, Vanessa is tolerating it and the various gangs are muttering. I think this thread has already revealed that his change doesnt look genuine

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think diverging “common values” are an increasing problem for companies trying to create media for international audiences.

They definitely are, but the big moral weirdness in this episode is that the badguy isn't very bad, possibly just because the writers screwed up and made him merely make a lot of threats and never even attempt to carry them out, yet gets horrific scarring and life-changing injuries (you don't ever fully recover from a leg injury like that - also slightly problematic that it's pretty similar to the kind of injuries that NI sectarian militias inflict on civilians who have angered them and I feel like a writer who understands NI as well as this one purports to should probably have known that) because Daredevil assaults him for essentially no reason whatsoever! He wasn't carrying the jewel, Daredevil knows that! He wasn't committing any kind of violent or public-endangering crime. He was merely getting away - something DD has let criminals do on other occasions, including ones who have actually done stuff!

Like, if he still had the gem, I could see a very basic if questionable logic to stopping him to get it back - but he didn't! If he was going to go kill someone or something, absolutely, beat the heck out of him. But "he's getting away!!!" isn't moral justification to scar and cripple a man. You're not a cop, Daredevil! Don't act like the worst kind of one!

Adding to the weirdness literally nothing in the show suggests he was handed in to the cops even.

It's like, did they edit the episode to remove him actually executing a hostage or something? Which might have given this the sort of appropriate "avenging angel" moral weight?

Although valuable jewels always have a dodgy provenance is a trope that goes all the way back to 1868. That's a lot of trope to try and ignore the weight of.

Yeah trope as old as time! At this point you kind of have to offer some kind of provenance for bigass jewels/gems because otherwise the assumption has to be that it was colonialism or criminality or both (so often hand-in-hand). And indeed it was kind of weird the show didn't offer any provenance - more typically they do.