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[Scribe]

You make it sound like they roofied her. IIRC, the "drug" is tryptophan in turkey. Which is essentially a placebo effect.

Actually drugging someone to get their toys sounds more like an It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia plot.

Jerry had a choice at the start of the episode, to give her pills that 'may cause drowsiness' or not, and then add in some wine and...poof.

When confronted with this, he proclaimed 'it's a victimless crime!' at which point Elaine calls him on it, and then he admits 'ok one victim'.

Regardless, if anyone wants to argue these are good people, when David I believe explicitly stated 'they must remain shallow and learn nothing over the series' thats fine, but I wont be convinced.

That said, I still believe its great, and Jason Alexander is criminally underrated, George is a character before his time, and the most well done of anyone on the show.

 

[Deset Gled]

Jerry had a choice at the start of the episode, to give her pills that 'may cause drowsiness' or not, and then add in some wine and...poof.

Oof. I didn't remember that part.

I have no misgivings that the Seinfeld group aren't good people. I just remember it being more of a morally questionable and poor decisions kind of bad as opposed to morally bankrupt.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Seinfeld is basically It's Always Sunny on the Upper West Side, with less self-aware characters.

 

[MGibster]

THAT RAN FOR SEVEN SEASONS!?!??!?!?!?!? What? I think I've seen maybe five episodes of it. Good god, what a time to be a mediocre comedy show the '90s was!

Every decade has shows like that though. The Middle is an American sitcom that ran from 2009-2018 and it wasn't bad, but in 20 years it's going to be one of those, "I never heard of it!" shows. During much of its run, it averaged about 5 million viewers per episode, and towards the end it dropped off to million. American Housewife ran from 2016-2021, and I think it's going to be in the same boat. Those who watched it will remember it, but most people will have forgotten it.

70s films were made before they invented ADHD?

Before they invented MTV. I keep thinking of The Changeling, which was released in 1980 (I think), and how glacially paced it was. But oddly enough, as slow paced as it was, almost every scene either added directly to advancing the plot or telling us something about the characters. It's slow, but the time spent is worth it.

 

[Bedrockgames]

So like, the kind of moviegoers who go to the movies to seem sophisticated rather than to enjoy the movies?

No, just people who like movies. I am not saying you have to love 70s cinema (people have different tastes for different decades) but it isn’t just people who are into art house or foreign films, people who like horror, action, adventure and crime movies often point to the 70s as an apex. There definitely are some great films coming out of that era

 

[Bedrockgames]

You make it sound like they roofied her. IIRC, the "drug" is tryptophan in turkey. Which is essentially a placebo effect.

Yeah it was tryptophan but Seinfeld was pre-internet so it wasn’t a placebo effect in the context of the show (they definitely weren’t meant to be roofying her, but it also was behavior normal characters weren’t expecting to be engaging in)

Actually drugging someone to get their toys sounds more like an It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia plot.

But that is heavily Seinfeld inspired. They call it R rated Seinfeld for a reason

 

[payn]

Every decade has shows like that though. The Middle is an American sitcom that ran from 2009-2018 and it wasn't bad, but in 20 years it's going to be one of those, "I never heard of it!" shows. During much of its run, it averaged about 5 million viewers per episode, and towards the end it dropped off to million. American Housewife ran from 2016-2021, and I think it's going to be in the same boat. Those who watched it will remember it, but most people will have forgotten it.

Never heard of it now.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Seinfeld is basically It's Always Sunny on the Upper West Side, with less self-aware characters.

This seems pretty accurate

 

[Gradine]

That said, I still believe its great, and Jason Alexander is criminally underrated, George is a character before his time, and the most well done of anyone on the show.

Jason Alexander really is extremely good. My favorite story from the show is from when the show is still really early on, and Alexander was having trouble wrapping his head around the character of George Costanza; he didn't act in a way that made any kind of sense to him. So Jerry essentially took him and had him spend a day with Larry David, and at the end of the day Alexander was "Okay, I get it now"

 

[MGibster]

Never heard of it now.

Things are so much different now because of how we consume our media these days. I grew up on a steady diet of reruns including Gilligan's Island, The Addams Family, The Munsters, I Dream of Jeannie, The Beverly Hillbillies, etc., etc. These programs were rerun during daytime hours where a lot of kids would have watched them and watch them we did because we didn't have many other options. I couldn't watch The Transformers or GI Joe whenever I wanted to, so I had to settle for F Troop.

And today our viewing is so fragmented. The only reason I know of The Middle is because my wife watched it and I'd watch with her on occasion. I never would have heard of it otherwise.