Why do the Actors Matter?

True. But, when they recast Harrison Ford in the last Falcon movie, people bitched about it. That's the part I don't understand. It's not like Harrison Ford doesn't look the part of Thunderbolt Ross.
It's not "looking the part" that's important, it's acting the part. That's why its called acting, not looking. Ford is fun and all, but he is a lousy character actor. William Hurt was a much better actor, and made a much better Ross.
 

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Personally I'd note that, imho, only Mark Ruffalo's sheer charisma saved him when they recast from Norton to him as the Hulk, because I'm sorry but I cannot take Ruffalo remotely seriously as a "troubled genius scientist" whereas Ed Norton absolutely had that in lock (and I think would have had better interactions with RDJ too).
It depends what you are looking for from the character. Ruffalo made the character fun to watch, but his version of the character wasn't anything like as messed up as Banner is usually portrayed (his approach was "its everyone else who is messed up"). But Norton, by playing it straight, was just boring. Which Banner probably would be if you met him socially.

But it's a good example of different actors giving radically different versions of the character.
 
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I have zero problems with a new actor playing Tony Stark. It really wouldn't bother me. Or a new actor playing pretty much any role. Marvel seems to be in the habit of killing off characters once their actor ages out, it seems. I dunno. Maybe I'm just way off base here.
I don't think that's related to age per se. That probably has more to do with their habit of contracting actors a rung or two below super-stardom for several movies, and once those movies are up those actors have often been able to climb those rungs making it much more expensive to renew those contracts. So instead they usually have a trilogy or so of movies centering that character giving them a (hopefully) satisfying arc.

So you wouldn't have an issue if instead of the character dying when Carrier Fisher passed away, if they had simply recast Princess Leia?
It depends on the circumstances. Had they done the sequel trilogy after Fisher's demise, I'd have been OK with recasting her. Same thing if they had done a sequel more along the lines of Heir to the Empire, taking place a few years after Return of the Jedi – that would likely have required recasting the whole crew with younger people. Or if General Organa had had a leading rather than supporting role which would have required her to be around for the last movie as well. But once the sequels started with Fisher in an important but not leading role, I think recasting her would have been a mistake.

It depends what you are looking for from the character. Ruffalo made the character fun to watch, but his version of the character wasn't anything like as messed up as Banner is usually portrayed (his approach was "its everyone else who is messed up"). But Norton, buy playing it straight, was just boring. Which Banner probably would be if you met him socially.
It's been a while since I watched The Incredible Hulk, but I don't remember Norton's performance as being "boring". Ruffalo definitely adds a little more comedy to the role, but I don't know if that's because of the actor himself or because that works better when he's not the lead. And as I understand it, the reason Norton was recast was that he apparently was a pain to work with.
 

So you wouldn't have an issue if instead of the character dying when Carrier Fisher passed away, if they had simply recast Princess Leia?
Absolutely. The character is interesting. Who plays the character? Who cares? So long as they do a good job. I most certainly don't think that any character MUST ONLY be played by a single actor. Let's get a new Luke and Han Solo. Why not?

Does not bother me at all.
 

I think RDJs Tony Stark got a nice story arch from origin to heroic ending, I like that and appreciate that the MCU want to preserve it

There are so many characters available to Marvel that sometimes its nice to tell a story then retire that character to make room for someone else. (Yeah despite the Doom casting)

Cant even say theyve used up their best characters yet. Afterall I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was scrapping the bottom of the barrel and they become MVPs
 

This reminds me of the discussion of the new cast for the Harry Potter HBO series. They get so much hate online (how sad your life is when you attack child actors online) because they look so different from the OG crew - but honestly they look much more like I imagined them in the books, especially the foto of the Harry Potter actor in costume.

I also never have a problem with changing actors, its just a different interpretation of an artist, its a different perspective on the content. But I also have no problems with remixes and covers of songs, often I even like it to hear new takes on old favorite song of mines. (What I don't like are cheap moneygrabbing EDM remixes with a bassline you heard 1000x times).

As long as the quality is good, yes please change actors, directors, artists, musicians, I don't mind, show me all the facets the cultural world has to offer, I'll give it a chance and I don't understand people who are so fixated on it. But on the other hand I don't understand the whole MCU hype in general not really and I am glad that its seems to be on decline and maybe stop holding contemporal pop culture in a stranglehold.
 

I don't disagree that the absolute crap is being wrung out of franchises, and yet, they continue because the public seems to demand it. Studios are only too glad to continue as, when they hit right, they are a license to print money. Actors don't mind because getting an ongoing role, in a franchise, is the stuff of comfortable retirement, or the ability to spend the rest of their careers carefully selecting he roles they do.
Oh, absolutely. The market responds to the incentives it's given by us, the viewing public*, and all the incentives right now point to "get a franchise, milk it dry, look for another."

That's why I sorta-kinda want to embrace the notion of getting up in arms when roles are recast (including when the role is "recast" to a digital re-creation of the original actor). It's not because I have any strong feelings about recasting in and of itself, but it's one way to generate a little counter-pressure against the Great Recycle.

* He said, on a forum dedicated to a franchise now on its ninth** iteration after 50 years.
** More or less, depending on how you count***.
*** Just curious, how many levels of nested footnotes before you stop reading?
 

It depends what you are looking for from the character. Ruffalo made the character fun to watch, but his version of the character wasn't anything like as messed up as Banner is usually portrayed (his approach was "its everyone else who is messed up"). But Norton, by playing it straight, was just boring. Which Banner probably would be if you met him socially.

But it's a good example of different actors giving radically different versions of the character.
Sure, I mean my issue is a bit more specific that I can't buy Mark Ruffalo as a genius of really any kind, and whilst he can do angry/bitter he hasn't really pulled that out for Banner. He's a very good actor and he's got a lot of range (c.f. his great performance in Poor Things, loved it) - he definitely doesn't just have to play nice guys, but I would personally say, aside from the gritty performance in Zodiac, in his performances as detectives or scientists who are supposed to smart (and the Zodiac guy is more just normal), he's been at his least convincing/compelling (which is still considerably above average, I must admit). With Banner he's playing him super-charming, which I appreciate him as a choice to differentiate him from various naughty word movie scientists, especially Marvel ones like Stark or the normal Reed (I presume Pedro Pascal will also tone down the naughty word factor on Reed though), but like I just don't buy the anger as alongside that. He's been great lines and delivered them with gusto, but like, I just do not believe he is, in fact, "always angry" (or a genius). I also really do think a more genuinely angry-feeling and brilliant-feeling Banner, like the one Norton did would have sparked off RDJ's Stark more. In fact, that might be part of the issue - I feel like Norton's Banner would have kind of overwhelmed/swamped RDJ's Stark, so maybe that sort of thinking helped inform some choices here.
 

Sure, I mean my issue is a bit more specific that I can't buy Mark Ruffalo as a genius of really any kind, and whilst he can do angry/bitter he hasn't really pulled that out for Banner. He's a very good actor and he's got a lot of range (c.f. his great performance in Poor Things, loved it) - he definitely doesn't just have to play nice guys, but I would personally say, aside from the gritty performance in Zodiac, in his performances as detectives or scientists who are supposed to smart (and the Zodiac guy is more just normal), he's been at his least convincing/compelling (which is still considerably above average, I must admit). With Banner he's playing him super-charming, which I appreciate him as a choice to differentiate him from various naughty word movie scientists, especially Marvel ones like Stark or the normal Reed (I presume Pedro Pascal will also tone down the naughty word factor on Reed though), but like I just don't buy the anger as alongside that. He's been great lines and delivered them with gusto, but like, I just do not believe he is, in fact, "always angry" (or a genius). I also really do think a more genuinely angry-feeling and brilliant-feeling Banner, like the one Norton did would have sparked off RDJ's Stark more. In fact, that might be part of the issue - I feel like Norton's Banner would have kind of overwhelmed/swamped RDJ's Stark, so maybe that sort of thinking helped inform some choices here.
For me, it's the opposite. The fact that he never seems to be angry, for me, is what sells the "I'm always angry" line. He's controlling his physical manifestations of his emotions, that that he's not 100% Hulk all the time.
 

So long as they do a good job.
Whilst I basically agree - I generally think recasting is fine in principle unless a character is genuinely inseparable from an actor (which is rare but does happen imho), but, but and really this is a big but, "So long as they do a good job" is absolutely hugely load-bearing here. That's got thousands of tons of stone all pressing down on that little arch!

Because you misstep with a well-established character, and even if you're the original actor people might frown or ask questions, but you misstep with that character and you're not? People are going to reject it - and I'm not talking about angry whiny internet people, I'm talking about a much broader distaste that like any internet yelling is the mere tip of the iceberg on.

So you really, really need to be careful!

The best or at least most impressive recasting I've seen I think has to go to Kelvinverse Star Trek, I did not think they could pull that off, but there's essentially only one actual misstep (sorry Simon Pegg, but your Scottie is... not good), and one definitely overshadowed by the original - Zachary Quinto's Spock is servicable, but he seems more like "some Vulcan" than SPOCK!!!, whereas even with a very different take, Chris Pine's Kirk is clearly Kirk, and Karl Urban's Bones, Bones. Cho, Saldana and Yelchin also did excellent jobs. (Addams Family was also probably pretty great recasting-wise but I barely knew the original even back then.)

For me, it's the opposite. The fact that he never seems to be angry, for me, is what sells the "I'm always angry" line. He's controlling his physical manifestations of his emotions, that that he's not 100% Hulk all the time.
Yeah I get that's probably what they're going for, I just don't buy it. I've met people who genuinely are always angry (but not at all psycho) and keeping a charming, controlled lid on it, and there's a fierce-ness to them that his portrayal of Banner just totally lacks. In fact I'd go as far as to say the charity sector has no shortage of people like that (I'm particularly thinking of one brilliant communications director I knew).
 

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