ChatGPT lies then gaslights reporter with fake transcript

[Jfdlsjfd]

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Both of our statements feel off-topic.

I thought it was self-evident that it was an illustration that a technology can stay even if some of the leading company fails. Ability to market it and make money out of a technology can fail (or never appear) without the technology itself disappearing. The fate of OpenAI ultimately won't have any more relevance on the impact of LLMs than the fall of the first ISPs had on the Internet.

 

[Ryujin]

I've always wondered how that Vineyard managed to make it past World War 3.

It actually expanded after WWIII. There were a lot of dead people to steal land from.

 

[TwoSix]

"Oh the world will have to adjust." right yeah, I'm sure thats going to work out just fine.

I mean, the world adjusts or society collapses. Both are possible solutions.

I’d say the odds are about 60-40, but I’m an optimist.

 

[Umbran]

I'd say the issue is more that there are still people who think they can entrust ChatGPT to do something like this. That isn't what it was made for.

Do you recognize that the modern tech space has a lot of snake oil salesmen in it? That they will lie to you, either blatantly or subtly, to sell a product?

What it is actually good at, and what they will tell you it can do for you, are two different things. What the product is "made for" is "selling to you for money".

There are specialized custom LLMs with custom datasets and purpose-built boundaries and filters that are better when reliability and accuracy are of paramount importance. ChatGPT is primarily a research tool and a cool toy.

Since I was doing thesis research on what we now call "generative AI" for use in tuning software for large particle colliders before the term "generative AI" was even coined, I feel I am well-educated on what it is actually good at. Thanks.

2) Weird that you say it is primarily a research tool and cool toy, But OpenAI has a whole section on its website on "ChatGPT for Business" in which they do not sell it to you as a cool toy, but an actual tool for business applications, on which they will gladly take your money for non-toy use. Hmm. Strange, that.

 

[Blue]

Except, in this case, nearly everyone -- including people in the tech industry -- are the buggy whip salesmen. The number of jobs that won't be affected are miniscule, because everyone wildly overestimates how much management and ownership values their human contributions.

Corporate America isn't going to say "oh, you can stick around, and we'll pay you the same money you made when you worked 40 hours a week while we have you work 10." They will cut you loose.

Yes. Now move on to the next step.

If large swatches of people literally cannot eat or live because of the situation, do you think the status quo stands?

Seriously, you've correctly predicted the a likely case, now predict what comes next.

A sea change is coming.

 

[Blue]

Do we honestly think that the world is going to go down to what, a 3 day work week? My son works with some people who have that...in one of their jobs. They have to of course pick up another job, because a 3 day work week doesnt quite pay the bills.

I honestly think that if there are large numbers of people who cannot eat, that things will change. Will have to change. Be it new jobs, new work week laws, UBI, whatever. The current status isn't sustainable. AI is likely a catalyst of that, but you can't put the cat back in the bag.

The status quo has already changed, and that is bringing more changes. You can't argue against thatg. Now project out. The clock is ticking, changes will come. Now you need to project what the consequences of the change will be. And the consequences of that. Dismissing them with a handwave that everything will stay the way it is now is foolhardy -- the changes have already started. It will likely get worse before it gets better, but stopping thinking at "worse" doesn't mean that's the end point, because there is no end point.

 

[kermit4karate]

I hold out hope that when the smoke clears, the creatives who put in the work to be better than the slop will succeed in carving out a niche for themselves.

No doubt some of them will.

The nature of creative work will have to fundamentally change though. I disagree that the "slop" will be distinguishable from most human creative work for much longer. Maybe a couple more years.

After that, creative humans will have to look for ways to position their work so as to avoid direct comparisons with AI if they hope to carve a niche, by concentrating on areas AI can't compete yet, like live performances.

For example, I bet society will elevate the value of live music and live theater for a while, since robotics is a bit behind AI.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

No doubt some of them will.

The nature of creative work will have to fundamentally change though. I disagree that the "slop" will be distinguishable from most human creative work for much longer. Maybe a couple more years.

After that, creative humans will have to look for ways to position their work so as to avoid direct comparisons with AI if they hope to carve a niche, by concentrating on areas AI can't compete yet, like live performances.

For example, I bet society will elevate the value of live music and live theater for a while, since robotics is a bit behind AI.

Who needs live music?

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[kermit4karate]

Do you recognize that the modern tech space has a lot of snake oil salesmen in it? That they will lie to you, either blatantly or subtly, to sell a product?

What it is actually good at, and what they will tell you it can do for you, are two different things. What the product is "made for" is "selling to you for money".



Since I was doing thesis research on what we now call "generative AI" for use in tuning software for large particle colliders before the term "generative AI" was even coined, I feel I am well-educated on what it is actually good at. Thanks.

2) Weird that you say it is primarily a research tool and cool toy, But OpenAI has a whole section on its website on "ChatGPT for Business" in which they do not sell it to you as a cool toy, but an actual tool for business applications, on which they will gladly take your money for non-toy use. Hmm. Strange, that.

I seem to be deeply offensive to many people on this subject, which isn't my intention. I think I've reached a point of acceptance and comfort using AI that many people here haven't yet, and so my blasé references are setting people off. I think most will also get to that point though, because they won't have a choice. Pandora's Box has already been opened.

I understand what marketing is, but I'm past being marketed to. I am a consumer of the product. It sold itself after I started using it.

The company will still market it though, spin the benefits and try to manipulate people into buying it, spending more on it, as will every other AI company. That's less about AI and more about human greed and capitalism.

 

[The Firebird]

Academic literature being super-dense so only other academics can parse it -- gotta reinforce the value of those higher degrees -- was a weird and, clearly, self-defeating choice.

I'm in the sciences so will not speak to the humanities. But the issue is more the quantity of information available than the density of the literature. LLMs are great at search, assuming you have the presence of mind to check the references.