D&D General 5e System Redesign through New Classes and Setting. A Thought Experiment.

[Zardnaar]

is that Nimble 5e? Anime 5e (haven’t heard of that…)?


I am glad DS! is trying to tackle them, WotC just entirely dropped the ball with 2024 as far as I am concerned


curious what he will come up with, by and large I like what he is saying

Draw Steel no one cars about. I dont think it broke top 20 games at gen con.

Its going to be about as relevant as 13 thAge is in a couple of years. Translation good luck finding a game.

Other games dont have to follow D&Ds sacred cows. Other games aren't going to sell either and good luck finding players let alone a DM/GM.

 

[mamba]

Draw Steel no one cars about. I dont think it broke top 20 games at gen con.

I don’t really care what it did at gencon, for one that might have been too early for it, for another whether I like a game or not is not tied to how well it does there

Its going to be about as relevant as 13 thAge is in a couple of years. Translation good luck finding a game.

Other games dont have to follow D&Ds sacred cows. Other games aren't going to sell either and good luck finding players let alone a DM/GM.

yeah, the only game that sells is 5e, everyone else is doomed to fail, pretty bleak picture you are painting there

I am fine with them not following sacred cows, there is no progress if you never can change anything. As to not finding players, guess we will see how things pan out a few years from now, but I am not interested in 2024 5e, it is a disappointment to me. I’d rather look at some TTRPGs that tried new things than stick with the ‘same old stuff’ in new covers

 

[Zardnaar]

I don’t really care what it did at gencon, for one that might have been too early for it, for another whether I like a game or not is not tied to how well it does there


yeah, the only game that sells is 5e, everyone else is doomed to fail, pretty bleak picture you are painting there

I am fine with them not following sacred cows, there is no progress if you never can change anything. As to not finding players, guess we will see how things pan out a few years from now, but I am not interested in 2024 5e, it is a disappointment to me. I’d rather look at some TTRPGs that tried new things than stick with the ‘same old stuff’ in new covers

Well i started playing D&D 1993. Been hearing how bad it is since 1996.

Probably because that's when I visited a game store. Those sacred cows are important. And now entire generations are trained on their sacred cows.

 

[mamba]

Well i started playing D&D 1993. Been hearing how bad it is since 1996.

started in 1984 or so, but did not play it consistently and dropped out entirely sometime before 3e, only found my way back during 5e

Probably because that's when I visited a game store. Those sacred cows are important. And now entire generations are trained on their sacred cows.

not sure how important they really are, or how many of the new players even see them as such

Didn’t care for them in the 80s, don’t care for them now. They are part of the game, but nothing I am beholden to. I doubt everyone else is (although no doubt some are). 5e doesn’t have its position in the market because everyone yearns for its sacred cows

 

[Zardnaar]

started in 1984 or so, but did not play it consistently and dropped out entirely sometime before 3e, only found my way back during 5e


not sure how important they really are, or how many of the new players even see them as such

Didn’t care for them in the 80s, don’t care for them now. They are part of the game, but nothing I am beholden to. I doubt everyone else is (although no doubt some are)

That's you. We gave a very recent example of sacred cows being slaughtered.

I have said IDK if a drastically over hauled D&D nuking the newer players preferred playstyle will go. WotC wont do it anyway if 5.5 tanks earliest anything comes out is 2027 revised 5E 2.0, 2028 6E assuming they rush it. Hmn its late 2026 add a year so 2928/29 for anything new.

 

[mamba]

That's you. We gave a very recent example of sacred cows being slaughtered.

what example?

I have said IDK if a drastically over hauled D&D nuking the newer players preferred playstyle will go.

and I am not sure they have a preferred playstyle, that kinda requires being aware of more than one

WotC wont do it anyway if 5.5 tanks earliest anything comes out is 2027 revised 5E 2.0, 2028 6E assuming they rush it. Hmn its late 2026 add a year so 2928/29 for anything new.

2027 is too early, even if 5.5 were tanking, and if it did, I’d hope WotC would be smart enough to not push out another minor tweak after the last one sank so fast.

I doubt we will see anything new before 2030, even if 2024 were tanking. At this point I do not really care either way, let’s see what they come up with first, before pinning our hopes on it. If 2024 is anything to go by, it will be another letdown and I will not like D&D 2030 either.

 

[Zardnaar]

what example?


and I am not sure they have a preferred playstyle, that kinda requires being aware of more than one


2027 is too early, even if 5.5 were tanking, and if it did, I’d hope WotC would be smart enough to not push out another minor tweak after the last one sank so fast.

I doubt we will see anything new before 2030, even if 2024 were tanking. At this point I do not really care either way, let’s see what they come up with first, before pinning our hopes on it. If 2024 is anything to go by, it will be another letdown and I will not like D&D 2030 either.

Yeah i forgot how late in 2025. Its 2028 earliest if tgdy rushed a revision out the door.