Do you think there will be double weapons?
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The other way to look at stave fighting is something visually different but similar in concept to main gauche fighting, you only attack with one end but you parry with the other end of the staff using the rebound from the parry to add to the momentum of your swing on a counterattack.
Unfortunately parries and counters are not traditionally supported mechanically in d&d.
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Unfortunately parries and counters are not traditionally supported mechanically in d&d.
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Andor
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Mal Malenkirk said:
You're obviously well versed in european staff (and great sword) techniques, but in all fairness there are staff styles where you grip toward the middle and attack with both ends that are blindingly fast at launching attacks with those two ends. Not as fast as an escrima fighter with two sticks perhaps, but to be fair neither is someone fighting case or florentine either.
On the other hand I'd really hate to try fighting that way against a swordsman. Sounds like an excellent way to lose fingers...
Plane Sailing
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Mal Malenkirk said:
On the other hand, this video of contemporary staff fighting from the Canary Islands (they have a staff fighting tradition going back 600 years or so) is interesting viewing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57uQzXqPJw
Nylanfs
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I just want to be able to continue using my Tian He Feng Wei Tang (Heavon Lotus Phoenix Tail (losely translated)). I don't care if it can be a sub-optimal choice, it looks freaking cool. At least in my mind where it really only counts anyway.
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Mal Malenkirk
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Plane Sailing said:
Kinda cool. But these barely count as quarterstaff. And hopefully you have noticed it wasn't that fast. Some coming at you with a single saber could throw a lot more attack your way in the same time frame.
Finally, part of the reason they fight that way is that
This is a sport. They are not trying to kill each other. So they won't thrust at all to avoid serious injury. I'm willing to bet that this is ground for expulsion, in fact.
They wear no armour. If someone has even a leather armour, it's going to be a lot different. You could ignore just about every blows you saw in the vid except those at the head. If your blow are inefctive, they are ignored and your opponent will just attack while you do so. His armour will protect him and you won't be able to block his : You lose.If they wore some protection and were fighting for their life, you would suddenly have seen a lot of thrust, trust me.
Again, I'm not arguing against the use of staff -like weapon. I'm just saying that considering these to be two weapons in the rules was always silly. It's basically a polearm, treat it as such rulewise. It's good for tripping, has good reach (Not when used as in those vids, mind you) etc.
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It doesn't matter what a weapon's real life effectiveness was. What matters is its effectiveness within its genre.
So if an old man with a bo staff can use it to vault 30 feet in the air and land flawlessly on a slippery sloped tile roof, and then trip a ninja and knock it unconsciousness in the blink of an eye, that's what it should do in D&D in the hands of a trained practitioner.
If bo staffs have to work in D&D just as well as they work in real life, then casting fireballs at people by muttering and waving your arms should be the same.
So if an old man with a bo staff can use it to vault 30 feet in the air and land flawlessly on a slippery sloped tile roof, and then trip a ninja and knock it unconsciousness in the blink of an eye, that's what it should do in D&D in the hands of a trained practitioner.
If bo staffs have to work in D&D just as well as they work in real life, then casting fireballs at people by muttering and waving your arms should be the same.
AtomicPope
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I really hate double weapons.
They are the Double Mint of stupity.
Direflail being the king.
There's nary a reason to use a double weapon when two weapons are more effective in virtually every way. Most double weapons in 3e were just a way to fill pages in a splat book. It was WotC's way of getting back to the endless "Guides" of 2e.
They are the Double Mint of stupity.
Direflail being the king.
There's nary a reason to use a double weapon when two weapons are more effective in virtually every way. Most double weapons in 3e were just a way to fill pages in a splat book. It was WotC's way of getting back to the endless "Guides" of 2e.
DonAdam
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Chimera said:
Bah! There's only one way to make a triple sword.
And they don't let you fly. They do something much cooler.
Much, much cooler.
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Mal Malenkirk
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Cadfan said:
Pff. In Wuxia they can do that with any weapon. That's hardly a good baseline for how to compare these weapons mechanically against each other. Even in those chinese flick the guy with the saber (or two) attacks faster than the guy with the bo. I'm not saying you should ban bo. Just treat them as polearms.
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