D&D General The First Demise of TSR: Gygax's Folly


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Apple came pretty close to going under until Bill Gates saved it from bankruptcy back in 1997.

GM went bankrupt too in 2009.

I'm not following anymore...are we talking about particular CEOs or just companies that were once tied to well known CEOs that eventually went bankrupt? These examples don't really seem illustrative of anything having to do with Gary Gygax or TSR.
 

I'm not following anymore...are we talking about particular CEOs or just companies that were once tied to well known CEOs that eventually went bankrupt? These examples don't really seem illustrative of anything having to do with Gary Gygax or TSR.
That is the point is that people don't get how business works.
 

I'm not following anymore...are we talking about particular CEOs or just companies that were once tied to well known CEOs that eventually went bankrupt? These examples don't really seem illustrative of anything having to do with Gary Gygax or TSR.
It was pointed out that unlike Gygax those other businesses didn't fail. Some of them either did fail or were on the verge of failure. While I recognize Gygax wasn't the best businessman in the world, for a dude who didn't have much of a formal education, he did fairly well. I doubt I would have been able to manage a company suddenly so successful as well as he did.
 

It was pointed out that unlike Gygax those other businesses didn't fail. Some of them either did fail or were on the verge of failure. While I recognize Gygax wasn't the best businessman in the world, for a dude who didn't have much of a formal education, he did fairly well. I doubt I would have been able to manage a company suddenly so successful as well as he did.

I just think that these should be apples to apples comparisons, as much as that can be done. I mean, General Motors is a 116 year old company that had a bankruptcy 100 years in. Apple had multiple CEOs post Steve Jobs 1980s departure, and he was brought back in 1997.
 


I just think that these should be apples to apples comparisons, as much as that can be done. I mean, General Motors is a 116 year old company that had a bankruptcy 100 years in. Apple had multiple CEOs post Steve Jobs 1980s departure, and he was brought back in 1997.
It is the same, you can still buy all the products, that's business. Companies change, get bought out.
 


It is the same, you can still buy all the products, that's business. Companies change, get bought out.
But it's not the same. Look, I don't think these things can be compared easily because few people have gone into depth into the management styles of different CEOs - most don't have the access to those people, and CEOs generally aren't interested in rehashing their failures as much as they like tooting their horns about their successes. Point is, Gary Gygax isn't John Sculley, Gil Amelio, or Rick Wagoner anymore than TSR is Apple or General Motors. These are all different people who came into their roles at different times in different industries under different conditions and problems.
 

But it's not the same. Look, I don't think these things can be compared easily because few people have gone into depth into the management styles of different CEOs - most don't have the access to those people, and CEOs generally aren't interested in rehashing their failures as much as they like tooting their horns about their successes. Point is, Gary Gygax isn't John Sculley, Gil Amelio, or Rick Wagoner anymore than TSR is Apple or General Motors. These are all different people who came into their roles at different times in different industries under different conditions and problems.
In business school, a lot of course study is about the forensics of business, finding out what went wrong. Ultimately, it is about the product, not the personalities, so a chevy is a chevy, apple an apple, and dnd is dnd. Gary did ok until he didn't, which is the same old story with business.
 

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