2006 ENnies Judge Voting Poll/Thread

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

i thought i was on everyone's ignore list.

but as of this post... i guess at least 134 people read my posts...

I read your posts, if that adds another to that number.

One thing I do find interesting, though, is that I bet diaglo's getting votes more through his old stanby that shows him to be a tough judge(or, hopefully does, I guess). He didn't really put anything else into his information for in the nomination thread, so it seems like his votes are more likely to come from previous exposure to him than some of the others might.

Not that I'm complaining...heck, I even voted for him before he rocketed ahead of me.

 

[MavrickWeirdo]

i thought i was on everyone's ignore list.

but as of this post... i guess at least 134 people read my posts...

Either that or it means that 134 people haven't read your posts

 

[Rystil Arden]

I read your posts, if that adds another to that number.

One thing I do find interesting, though, is that I bet diaglo's getting votes more through his old stanby that shows him to be a tough judge(or, hopefully does, I guess). He didn't really put anything else into his information for in the nomination thread, so it seems like his votes are more likely to come from previous exposure to him than some of the others might.

Not that I'm complaining...heck, I even voted for him before he rocketed ahead of me.

They're obviously voting for him because anyone who has a secret double life as an evil cultist in the Wilderlands box set must be cool

 

[DaveMage]

Maybe they have been spending too much time on Blizzard software's boards and think you are diaBLO?

He's NOT Diablo?

Oh, man. I need to change my vote...

 

[Umbran]

Becasue honestly, the competition is there if people vote that way isn't it?

Yes and no, TB. If everyone were you, perhaps. But I doubt you conform to the norms of human psychology (and I mean that as a complement). Taken in mass, folks tend to fall into certain voting patterns based upon the information available and the voting system used. Those patterns tend to get in the way of real competition between all the candidates.

Would artificially skewing the results, in an effort to increase voting serve any non-recursie purpose

What purpose would be served? Well, as I write, some 1527 people are online. Fewer than 400 have voted. Our voter turnout stinks, TB. If we want to claim we've got a handle on what the gaming world really considers to be "quality", we want more votes being cast. But people just don't care. If we don't care, what does that say about our awards?

Not that it matters, but I'd not consider any artificial skewing of votes after they've been cast. I'd only consider putting the elegibility requirements for nomination to scrutiny, and looking at our voting procedure.

 

[CRGreathouse]

And I tend to agree. Not just becasue I am doing well (thanks all!) but because, honestly, what do you think would produce results better reflecting the Zeitgeist than the calssic "One Person/One Vote" model?

Anything more complex than that is an effort to skew voting, which is fine if you are looking for a specific result...but I would hope that the specific result that we're looking for here isn't that complex.

There are legion voting methods, and we're not even using the method you mention -- we're getting up to 5 votes each. Approval voting, the (shudder) Borda count, any of the Condorcet methods, first-past-the-post with variable votes, IRV, reverse vote, block voting... the list goes on. All of these methods have their advantages and disadvantages, and suggesting that FPTP 1-vote is the only way (or the only "democratic" way) is a little deceptive.

Like I said, I'm glad you're going to be a judge this year -- you're a good guy and a competent judge, at least in my opinion. I enjoyed working with you on the ENnies way back when. Still, I wonder about other ways to set up the voting system.

As far as the analysis of postcount vs. vote rank, I see that 7 of the top 8 vote-getters are in the top 8 for postcount. That's not all bad, but it does once again make me wonder.

 

[The_Universe]

I was excited to see so many women running this year. I was hoping that we'd get at least some estrogen on the judging panel, even if it's not me. But it looks as though testosterone will win out again.

But there's still time left.

And the presence of a Y chromosome effects RPG product judging how?

Voting for women for the sake of having women on the panel is silly, just as it would be to vote for the dudes for the simple sake of making sure that "testosterone" is properly represented. Vote for individuals based on their merits, not based on what they may or may not carry between their legs. Sheesh!

 

[Teflon Billy]

There are legion voting methods, and we're not even using the method you mention -- we're getting up to 5 votes each. Approval voting, the (shudder) Borda count, any of the Condorcet methods, first-past-the-post with variable votes, IRV, reverse vote, block voting... the list goes on. All of these methods have their advantages and disadvantages, and suggesting that FPTP 1-vote is the only way (or the only "democratic" way) is a little deceptive...

Hey, don't get me wrong, I am more than willing to admit that you (and Umbran I guess) have more on the ball about voting systems than I do, and if I gave the impression that I thought "One Man/ One Vote" was the only real way to do things, then I mirepresented myself.

What I was trying to point out (apparently without success) is that Changing the Voting structure or the Eligibility Standards for the express purpose of trying eliminate "Voter Preference" (for want of a better term)--which seems to favor incumbency more than unknown quantities--I just wonder what the point is.

Umbran claims that it is to get more people voting...but more people voting to what end if it starts to eliminate candidates who currently draw large amounts of the voter interest?

At what point do you just make it a raffle?

As far as the analysis of postcount vs. vote rank, I see that 7 of the top 8 vote-getters are in the top 8 for postcount. That's not all bad, but it does once again make me wonder.

Well, it's an internet message board Man If you are making your voting decisions based on familiarity with the Candidate, then I would hope that it has something to do with their posting habits as well as their stated qualifications

 

[Teflon Billy]

And the presence of a Y chromosome effects RPG product judging how?

Voting for women for the sake of having women on the panel is silly, just as it would be to vote for the dudes for the simple sake of making sure that "testosterone" is properly represented. Vote for individuals based on their merits, not based on what they may or may not carry between their legs. Sheesh!

I was wondering that myself.

 

[MavrickWeirdo]

I was excited to see so many women running this year.

I'm going to assume that RavenHyde (Selma) is female. I don't see any evidence that any of the other judges is femail. So if 2 out of 17 qualifies as "so many" then I am happy for you.

And the presence of a Y chromosome effects RPG product judging how?

Voting for a canidate Just because she is a woman is a bad thing. Having a good number of women canidates on the ballot is a Good thing.

Personally I voted for Xath because she is good with a sword (I hear being a judge can be dangerous )