D&D General 2024 Monster Creation

The 2014 DMG Monster Creation rules were really, really bad.

But why? There was all this math and all these long lists of features and calculations and tables?

I am a monster tinkerer by heart, have been since I was young. When I started DM'ing back in 2018 I loved the complex building guide presented in the Dungeon Master's Guide. It was very crunchy and helped me understand what features were strong and what to look out for. I tinkered and counted and made a bunch of monsters.

They sucked.

They consistently underdelivered and were stomped by my party. Now, we all know that the encounter building rules were bogus and even WotC's monsters are often weak, but this really, really discouraged me. I started to reskin monsters more and more, saving me time and delivering better results.

Now with more experience, I still mostly use reskinning, and even when I make sweeping changes, I only look at the Forge of Foes stats by CR. And it works!

If I think of the time spent for terrible results using the old way of doing things, I would not wish that on anyone. I actually think the 2024 monster creation rules might actually be better than pages and pages of little features and what they mean for CR.

As a final thought, my gut feeling tells me there won't be more detailed rules in the MM since there was no reference to it. But for all that the designers have told us the books were all designed simultaneously, I doubt that they were done with the MM with the layoffs and setbacks, and the missing UA's that were promised.

Maybe they just didn't have the final version of the monster math ready yet, and they are still finalizing it instead of publishing another hard to use tool. Even if they have the tool for themselves, they can't share it because it's not usable for us. For them they only need a tool that works, for us they need to design it so we can't get it wrong.
 

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For them they only need a tool that works, for us they need to design it so we can't get it wrong.
if they have a tool that works then that should not be that far off from working reliably, they might need a bit of language to make it more ‘foolproof’

As to Forge of Foes, that is definitely a good base to use, but I don’t think that WotC should just neglect the topic altogether, just because they cannot dedicate a whole book to it
 

And I don't think the monster creation guidelines even need to be foolproof. I think most people understand that with a thing with so much customisation some results might be outliers. But just release the framework the designers themselves use with some explanatory text. The issue with 2014 guidelines was that they obviously were not what was actually used for creating the MM entries.
 

if they have a tool that works then that should not be that far off from working reliably, they might need a bit of language to make it more ‘foolproof’

As to Forge of Foes, that is definitely a good base to use, but I don’t think that WotC should just neglect the topic altogether, just because they cannot dedicate a whole book to it
With the mindset that this DMG is made to teach people how to DM? Reskinning is probably just fine.

What would you take out of the book in order to make room for it?
 




With the mindset that this DMG is made to teach people how to DM? Reskinning is probably just fine.

What would you take out of the book in order to make room for it?
The lore glossary first, but honestly just make as big a book as you need to get it all in there.
 

So they added a bunch of DMG stuff to the free rules, then took it back? Not a great look.
I mean, someone made a mistake. It happens. Doesn't bother me. As I said in my initial post I was surprised how much was in the initial release compared to what was in the old free rules. So it wasn't a shock it was a mistake.
 

I mean, someone made a mistake. It happens. Doesn't bother me. As I said in my initial post I was surprised how much was in the initial release compared to what was in the old free rules. So it wasn't a shock it was a mistake.
I assume you own or will buy the 5.5 DMG? Why would it bother you?
 

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