D&D 5E 20th level Wizard vs the World

[JiffyPopTart]

Now We have Monks and Invisible Stalker ? Lol Really? It was fun.
Locate a creature while ethereal. Omg its Fun.


We have more than 40 creatures disguised with Seeming Spell and mundane disguise, including the Sorcerer.
Its fun.

I didnt see locate creature on your spell list. Is that a shrodingers sorcerer ability you just have for no reason?

Also you can't disguise yourself from the stalker, it knows which one is really you in the monster description.

 

[Hohige]

I didnt see locate creature on your spell list. Is that a shrodingers sorcerer ability you just have for no reason?

Also you can't disguise yourself from the stalker, it knows which one is really you in the monster description.

its failed again. You cant do It when you are on ethereal plane.

"Faultless Tracker: The Stalker is given a quarry by its summoner. The Stalker knows the direction and distance to its quarry as long as the two of them are on the same plane of existence. The Stalker also knows the location of its summoner."

Also, The wizard doesnt know who or what is the Sorcerer. Its master of disguise and deception.

Poor Wizard. Monks? LoL.
Its a bad death. Using Antimagic Field against a flying creature but The Wizard cant fly.

 

[Zio_the_dark]

There's a specific thread for Schrodinger to expose his might in a duel please take that here

D&D 5E - BATTLE ROYALE - 20th Level Sorcerer vs. Wizard -- FIGHT!!!

Knock yourselves out... ;) Ok, this is a joke to me, but since people want to go through it: 1. Standard Array 2. Any WotC developed material (No 3PP, no Critical Role crap, etc.), no UA, it must be in a published work. 3. No multiclassing 4. 4 common magic items, 3 uncommon, 2 rare, 1 very...

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This one is about wizard dominating the world and you always derail the initial subject with things that have been said to not exist in the world the op has described.

 

[Zio_the_dark]

2) for the world, we will assume the 20th level wizard is the top dog. There are a handful of people levels 11-12, everyone past that has moved on to do their own thing. There are of course more level 8-10 people but still pretty rare. Let’s assume 5th level and lower is more common, and then you have nigh infinite 1st level people.

put another way, the world has access to a few 6th and 5th level spells (of any class), 4th level spells are rare but out there, 3rd and 2nd level magic is fairly easy to muster, and 1st level spells are practically infinite.

 

[Iry]

I didnt see locate creature on your spell list. Is that a shrodingers sorcerer ability you just have for no reason?

I think he means the Wizard cannot locate the Sorcerer on the Ethereal plane.
But the World Wizard can see the Ethereal plane, because Diviner.

 

[Hohige]

I think he means the Wizard cannot locate the Sorcerer on the Ethereal plane.
But the World Wizard can see the Ethereal plane, because Diviner.

He cannot locate, dont know who is your target
The best defende against Wizards is deception. The Sorcerer can be everyone or everything.
The best about It...The WTF 5 monks

 

[Iry]

He cannot locate, dont know who is your target
The best defende against Wizards is deception. The Sorcerer can be everyone or everything.
The best about It...The WTF 5 monks

Divination gives truthful answers out to 7 Days. It does require a little finesse, but she should be able to narrow it down and get your true name in under a month. Literally 20 Questions.

 

[Hohige]

Divination gives truthful answers out to 7 Days. It does require a little finesse, but she should be able to narrow it down and get your true name in under a month. Literally 20 Questions.

I Love It, because I know every Wizard's trick. They cannot fight The Sorcerer, because they are weak. they will try divination, indirect combat. I created The Master of Deception and Disguise to foil every Wizard attempt.
What is the questions?

 

[auburn2]

I was having a fun debate with my gaming group. In 3rd edition, we all agreed that a high level wizard could take over a world pretty trivially.

but how about 5e? The promise of bounded accuracy and more limited spells suggests it should be harder for a powerful wizard to just run the show. But is it still possible? Can a 20th level wizard with access to the full arsenal of magic conquer the world?

so let’s make some assumptions:

1) since magic items are technically optional, let’s limit their use. So people can have some basic magic weapon, magic armor kind of thing, but no items with “crazy effects”. This is about the power of the class not what items can be found.

2) for the world, we will assume the 20th level wizard is the top dog. There are a handful of people levels 11-12, everyone past that has moved on to do their own thing. There are of course more level 8-10 people but still pretty rare. Let’s assume 5th level and lower is more common, and then you have nigh infinite 1st level people.

put another way, the world has access to a few 6th and 5th level spells (of any class), 4th level spells are rare but out there, 3rd and 2nd level magic is fairly easy to muster, and 1st level spells are practically infinite.

3) no simulacrum cheese. We already know it’s a winning tactic so let’s take it off the table

4) any official class and spell is fair game. Nothing UA, but if it’s official it’s legal for the debate.

5) for the wizard, choose any race and subclass you wish, feats are in, assume he has as many spells as you need in the spell book. But no multi classing, it’s a pure wizard.

so with that in mind, put on your scheming hats pinky and the brain style, and see how to take over the world!!

No. I don't think so. There are too many high level monsters in the world.

There are a good 10 or so liches running around, they are almost your equal at the start and some of them are commanding their own Army of undead and humans, including high-level vampire and human casters and warriors.

The good dragons and the lawful dragons would band together to stop your takeover and you would be no match for their combined might.

Someone going into a fight against a wizard can get a lot of mileage out of a few simple magic items or spells.

A 20th lever wizard could probably take over a small country, or a big city like waterdeep, but not the world.

 

[Caliburn101]

I think that it's also short sighted. Take a world like eberron where you dn't have a tier 3+ retired adventurer poing as the baker butcher & shopkeeper in every other town & limit the scope to just khorvaire were there's not really much of anything capable of challenging a level 20 anything. Under those conditions the only reason a level 20 would need to take over rather than using their power to participate in & enjoy the fruits of a productive reasonably stable advanced civilization is if that level 20 were criminally insane. Once you dive into that sort of crazy all of the convoluted schemes are likely to fall apart through incompetence in the face of the actual chessmasters in the world. Even if the level 20 wanted to do something like horrific arcane experiments on people for whatever reason, taking over the world is an absurd amount of effort when it could be done quietly in a remote area or even with funding from a proto-megacorp like ta dragonmarked house or a functioning established nation state interested enough in results to keep prying eyes/legal complications away.

Faerun may lack nations & governance due to rule by a continual series of violent overthrow of the last absetee warlord dubbed adventurer but even a crapsack world like darksun has numerous powers wielding the clout of a functioning nationstate complete with functioning military/policing/etc or similar but parallel levels of power who would just give the level 20 a cushy job mostly consisting of doing the thing they wanted to take over the world for.

Due to bounded accuracy & the assumption of no feats no magic items, any level 20 has been a fully functional armed & equipped T-X for many levels even if not using those things in their build. That makes the level 20 bar just silly

Perhaps there is a corner case argument that everyone with a great deal of personal power who wants control over the world and will leverage their power to get it is criminally insane... but human history is FULL of this stuff.

As for Faerun - as an ex-archaeologist and student of anthropology and ancient history, I can tell you that it makes little sense as a world and the conveyor belt of world-ending problems it suffers without anything really changing underlines this - spellplague aside (which was undone because the default status quo has too much weight). It is a kitchen sink hodgepotch, and I don't think it every claimed to be anything else. It was developed as a place to tell children's stories at first, and it shows.

Greyhawk makes much more sense, as does Dark Sun, Krynn and Eberron etc. They are the products of worldbuilders, not 'I need somewhere, anywhere to host adventures' storytellers...