[3.5] Bard Spell list Changes Summary

[Hikaru]

Well, the bard in the Asterix comics can change weather simply by singing some horrid song

Uh? It is not horrid. It is just that the heavens don't have any musical taste.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Oops.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

I don't mean to sound overly critical, but could you explain this sentence? That seems like a very strange way to approach game design:

"What spells should we give the bard?"
"Well, there's three or four I think bards would really like. After that, I'll just fill up most of the list with some throw-away, trash spells that I don't think anyone would want anyway."

Please don't put words in other people's mouths. All Andy said was ... well, I'll quote him too:

There are many spells on the bard list that I don't imagine many bards choosing to learn. However, that doesn't eliminate the utility of the spell appearing on the spell list, since it opens up scroll and wand use of those spells.

That's a far cry from "there's three or four I think bards would really like."

And his reasoning is perfectly straightforward and correct. Every spell list (bards included) should include the spells the character might either want to learn/prepare, or that he should reasonably be able to use from a wand or scroll. The latter category might well include "many" spells without reducing the former category to "three or four."

 

[chalcedony]

tarchon said: Like we were saying, just open up an Inspire Greatness. The target will probably even come to long enough to try to help himself out.

AFAIK, bard songs only work on conscious targets (who can hear him sing). When you drop below 0 hp, the PHB says that you are unconscious...

hikaru said:Well, the bard in the Asterix comics can change weather simply by singing some horrid song

I knew it! Cacofonix was a level 16 bard with no ranks in perform!


**mulls over what a Bard can achieve now with mind fog and shadow evocation together...***

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Still, a pity about losing mage armor. I find the reasoning flawed. It's not like the bard ought to have been using the thing exclusively, or even primarily, on himself anyway.

 

[Fenes 2]

Still, a pity about losing mage armor. I find the reasoning flawed. It's not like the bard ought to have been using the thing exclusively, or even primarily, on himself anyway.

Easily fixed with a house rule.