D&D 3E/3.5 [3.5] Monk using flurry of blows and rapid shot feat

[Tharizdun]

My question:
Can a monk combine flurry of blows with the rapid shot feat?
for example, can a 9th level monk throw 4 shurikens at +4/+4/+4/-1 ??


WoCs answer:
As long as you don't mind the cumulative penalty, that's fine.

 

[Pax]

The SRD already answers your question; it says Flurry can be used with Shuriken:

3.5 SRD "Classes I":
Flurry of Blows (Ex): When unarmored, a monk may strike with a flurry of blows at the expense of accuracy. When doing so, she may make one extra attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack takes a –2 penalty, as does each other attack made that round. The resulting modified base attack bonuses are shown in the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus column on Table: The Monk. This penalty applies for 1 round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the monk might make before her next action. When a monk reaches 5th level, the penalty lessens to –1, and at 9th level it disappears. A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). She may attack with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons interchangeably as desired. When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus x ?1-1/2 or x?1/2) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands. The monk can't use any weapon other than a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows.
In the case of the quarterstaff, each end counts as a separate weapon for the purpose of using the flurry of blows ability. Even though the quarterstaff requires two hands to use, a monk may still intersperse unarmed strikes with quarterstaff strikes, assuming that she has enough attacks in her flurry of blows routine to do so.
When a monk reaches 11th level, her flurry of blows ability improves. In addition to the standard single extra attack she gets from flurry of blows, she gets a second extra attack at her full base attack bonus.

 

[godfear]

My question:
Can a monk combine flurry of blows with the rapid shot feat?
for example, can a 9th level monk throw 4 shurikens at +4/+4/+4/-1 ??


WoCs answer:
As long as you don't mind the cumulative penalty, that's fine.

Which is funny, considering (as your math indicates) by 9th level monks don't have a penalty for using Flurry of Blows...

 

[Pax]

Re: Re: [3.5] Monk using flurry of blows and rapid shot feat

Which is funny, considering (as your math indicates) by 9th level monks don't have a penalty for using Flurry of Blows...

Yes, but their answer would apply equally at 1st level (where you would attack at -4/-4/-4).

 

[Gilwen]

My question:
Can a monk combine flurry of blows with the rapid shot feat?
for example, can a 9th level monk throw 4 shurikens at +4/+4/+4/-1 ??


WoCs answer:
As long as you don't mind the cumulative penalty, that's fine.

I would say no. There was a similiar thread to this one but pertaining to TWF feat. Someone posted a response from the Sage saying you couldn't use them together it is an either or thing.
If I can find that thread I'll post it here.

Bryan

 

[Pax]

Re: Re: [3.5] Monk using flurry of blows and rapid shot feat

I would say no. There was a similiar thread to this one but pertaining to TWF feat. Someone posted a response from the Sage saying you couldn't use them together it is an either or thing.
If I can find that thread I'll post it here.

Bryan

That'd be under 3.0 rules. This fellow's question is as pertains to 3.5 rules.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Besides, TWF is explicitly (if not necessarily clearly) disallowed in the description of monks' unarmed attacks. No such restriction exists for Rapid Shot, and in general, rapid shot can be used to gain an extra ranged attack regardless of whether the other attacks you are making that round are ranged or not.

 

[LokiDR]

Besides, TWF is explicitly (if not necessarily clearly) disallowed in the description of monks' unarmed attacks. No such restriction exists for Rapid Shot, and in general, rapid shot can be used to gain an extra ranged attack regardless of whether the other attacks you are making that round are ranged or not.

A monk using shuriken is not unarmed, he is using a weapon. Flurry of blows says the special monk weapons qualify. Flurry of blows doesn't say it follows unarmed rules or that two weapon fighting doesn't work, as was determined under 3.0.

Interestingly enough, since shuriken are amunition now and TWF works with thrown weapons, a fighter/rogue might well be better at throwing them. Here is an example from a different thread:

by Gyoza Dog

Now that the Two weapon fighting chain works with thrown
weapons and shuriken count as ammo...

Halfling
Fighter 4/Rogue 16
TWF
Improved TWF
Greater TWF
Point Blank Shot
Rapid Shot
Precise Shot
EWP: Shuriken
Weapon Focus: Shuriken
Weapon Specialisation: Shuriken
etc.

Use Magic Device to cast Impoved Invisibility and Greater
Magic Weapon to get 50 magical shuriken and then start
throwing at 8 per round for 8d6 sneak attack each.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

A monk using shuriken is not unarmed, he is using a weapon. Flurry of blows says the special monk weapons qualify.

A monk using shuriken is not unarmed, but (at least in 3.5) he is in fact using a monk special weapon. As the rules are stated, he does qualify both for the extra attacks for flurry of blows and for the extra ranged attack with a shuriken, if he wants to take 'em.

 

[Gilwen]

Re: Re: Re: [3.5] Monk using flurry of blows and rapid shot feat

The thread i was refering to was discussing 3.5 rules

That'd be under 3.0 rules. This fellow's question is as pertains to 3.5 rules.