Knight Otu
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Anyone else think that the Environment should be altered a bit? 
[3.5E] In The Works - Changes to the Titan
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Saves vs Titans Spells
I still think its spell saves DC are too low, im sure
most 20th level PC's will have a easy time saving
against most of its spells. At least its not as bad as
a Medusa (CR14-15?) ,DC 15 fort save to avoid being
turned into stone. Most of the party would have saved on
a 1.
I still think its spell saves DC are too low, im sure
most 20th level PC's will have a easy time saving
against most of its spells. At least its not as bad as
a Medusa (CR14-15?) ,DC 15 fort save to avoid being
turned into stone. Most of the party would have saved on
a 1.
Saves vs Titans Spells
I still think its spell saves DC are too low, im sure
most 20th level PC's will have a easy time saving
against most of its spells. At least its not as bad as
a Medusa (CR14-15?) ,DC 15 fort save to avoid being
turned into stone. Most of the party in our game would have saved on a 1. Then again a Titan is more likely to pound you
to death and use it spells on other things, such as summonned
monsters etc
Anyways it just an observation, i also found the same
problem when the PC's are were fighting NPC's who are
multiclassed with 1 class being a magic users ,they only had low level spells and crap BAB, but were high CR because of the combined level. The party would usually make mince meat out
of them. This only applies to offensive spells, other spells were more useful because they can be used on other NPC/Monsters etc to benefit them.
*shrug*
Sok
I still think its spell saves DC are too low, im sure
most 20th level PC's will have a easy time saving
against most of its spells. At least its not as bad as
a Medusa (CR14-15?) ,DC 15 fort save to avoid being
turned into stone. Most of the party in our game would have saved on a 1. Then again a Titan is more likely to pound you
to death and use it spells on other things, such as summonned
monsters etc
Anyways it just an observation, i also found the same
problem when the PC's are were fighting NPC's who are
multiclassed with 1 class being a magic users ,they only had low level spells and crap BAB, but were high CR because of the combined level. The party would usually make mince meat out
of them. This only applies to offensive spells, other spells were more useful because they can be used on other NPC/Monsters etc to benefit them.
*shrug*
Sok
Skills analysis
Skill Points: (20 HD + 3) * (8 outsider + 5 int) = 23 * 13 = 299
Max Ranks for a skill: 23.
Balance +7 = 12 ranks, +1 Dex, -6 armor
Bluff (was +27) +19= 12 ranks, +7 Cha
Climb (was +21) +22 = 12 ranks, +16 Str, -6 armor
Concentration (was +29) +37 = 18 ranks, +19 Con
Craft (any one) (was +27) +28 = 23 ranks, +5 Int
Diplomacy +11 = +7 Cha, +2 bluff synergy, +2 sense motive synergy
Disguise +7 (+9 acting) = + 7 Cha, (+2 bluff synergy/acting)
Heal +20 = 11 ranks, +9 Wis
Intimidate +32 = 23 ranks, +7 Cha, +2 bluff synergy
Jump (was +36) +38 = 22 ranks, +16 Str, (no -6 armor?)
Knowledge (any one) (was +28) +28 = 23 ranks, +5 Int
Listen (was +30) +32 = 23 ranks, +9 Wis
Perform (oratory) (was +27) +30 = 23 ranks, +7 Cha
Search +28 = 23 ranks, +5 Int
Sense Motive (was +28) +32 = 23 ranks, +9 Wis
Spellcraft +17 = 12 ranks, +5 Int
Spot (was +30) +32 = 23 ranks, +9 Wis
Survival +9 (+11 following tracks) = +9 Wis, (+2 search synergy/tracking)
Swim (was +36) +16 = X ranks, +16 Str, -X armour penalty
Total Ranks: 12 + 12 +12 + 18 + 23 + 11 + 23 + 22 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 12 + 23 = 285 ranks.
Can someone confirm what the armor penalty is for swimming? If it is double normal, (-12), I'm still missing 2 ranks somewhere... possibly a synergy bonus I don't know about.
Cheers!
Skill Points: (20 HD + 3) * (8 outsider + 5 int) = 23 * 13 = 299
Max Ranks for a skill: 23.
Balance +7 = 12 ranks, +1 Dex, -6 armor
Bluff (was +27) +19= 12 ranks, +7 Cha
Climb (was +21) +22 = 12 ranks, +16 Str, -6 armor
Concentration (was +29) +37 = 18 ranks, +19 Con
Craft (any one) (was +27) +28 = 23 ranks, +5 Int
Diplomacy +11 = +7 Cha, +2 bluff synergy, +2 sense motive synergy
Disguise +7 (+9 acting) = + 7 Cha, (+2 bluff synergy/acting)
Heal +20 = 11 ranks, +9 Wis
Intimidate +32 = 23 ranks, +7 Cha, +2 bluff synergy
Jump (was +36) +38 = 22 ranks, +16 Str, (no -6 armor?)
Knowledge (any one) (was +28) +28 = 23 ranks, +5 Int
Listen (was +30) +32 = 23 ranks, +9 Wis
Perform (oratory) (was +27) +30 = 23 ranks, +7 Cha
Search +28 = 23 ranks, +5 Int
Sense Motive (was +28) +32 = 23 ranks, +9 Wis
Spellcraft +17 = 12 ranks, +5 Int
Spot (was +30) +32 = 23 ranks, +9 Wis
Survival +9 (+11 following tracks) = +9 Wis, (+2 search synergy/tracking)
Swim (was +36) +16 = X ranks, +16 Str, -X armour penalty
Total Ranks: 12 + 12 +12 + 18 + 23 + 11 + 23 + 22 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 23 + 12 + 23 = 285 ranks.
Can someone confirm what the armor penalty is for swimming? If it is double normal, (-12), I'm still missing 2 ranks somewhere... possibly a synergy bonus I don't know about.
Cheers!
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Valiantheart
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MerricB said:
So many changes, so little time to assimilate them all...
Incidentally, the Titan has Quicken Spell-Like Ability (Chain lightning) feat, not the Quicken Spell feat; it can't quicken anything but Chain Lightning, and that only three times per day.
Cheers!
Well as long as its only three times a day
Tarril Wolfeye
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Magical Half-Plate Armor: -6 Armor Check Penalty to Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Hide, Jump, Move Silently, Pick Pockets and TumbleMerricB said:
That means 6 more Ranks in Balance, Climb, Jump??(too much ranks), Swim??(3.5?)
Knight Otu
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I seem to remember reading that swim uses double the Armor check penalty instead of the weight penalty it uses now, but don't ask me for the source.... I think it was one of the Dungeon or Dragon maagzine threads...
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